Interior pics of the bass will help too.
And a real, rim-to-rim measurement without the hoops.
Bummer about the tom.
Interior pics of all drums are always a good idea, and a good selling point.
If the original rims are the ones designed for the mounting of the bass pedal, and the actual measurements reveal an 18x14 size without modifications, the kit may still yet have a good value.
Otherwise, not much...... the floor tom would be the only "money drum" left to consider.
Now the Bad sets a re-covered one the first give away is the 12" tom Wrong tom mount you should have extra holes were the slingerland tom mount was drum shows none..
If this kit was originally a "Jet" outfit and came with no mount on the bass, would the 12" tom still have a factory mount? I would've guessed it would come with no mount at all, and that would be consistent with what he's got. (Looking at the inside of the drum for holes could give more clues.)
The badge on bass drum Wrong its going the wrong way should be side to side Not up and down
Is it loose? Are there any scratches in the wrap hinting that someone might've spun it?
i also think the bass was a Floor tom what does the rims look like you have for it are to two tom rims i should have a tongue to mount the bass pedal too...Mikey
On 1964 drums, would there have been a badge at all on a floor tom? I thought Slingerland didn't start badging toms until around 1966.
Anyway, even with a few doubts and questions (which is par for the course with a lot of old drums), I like this little kit. If I was in the market for a little jazz kit, I'd definitely consider it.
Oh, and drjudd... OC puts a solid bass line on the field. The kid's definitely got some rhythm. :)
Cool set, if begging more questions than answers at this point. The bass badge makes me think it may have been an 18" marching bass drum? Otherwise it is evidence of a re-wrap. The original hoops on an 18" Slingerland bass drum from the 60s would be wood, NOT metal. If they're metal hoops and the bass is 16" deep (shell size) it could be a 18" floor tom conversion. I think it may be a Marching drum conversion. It also may be an original set, still. The fact is, even with the info you've provided, without detailed pictures of the interiors and bearing edges, any determination beyond the size of the drums is simply conjecture. The drums may well be original. Impossible to tell with the information provided.
Given that, you would be wise to pull the auction until you do have actual photographic evidence. Why? Because you will not have an accurate description, which at the very least will garner a bad seller rating when feedback is given. At the most, you will sell the drums for way below what they're actually worth. I think your posting of the auction is premature.
Cool set, if begging more questions than answers at this point. The bass badge makes me think it may have been an 18" marching bass drum? Otherwise it is evidence of a re-wrap. [COLOR="Red"]The original hoops on an 18" Slingerland bass drum from the 60s would be wood, NOT metal.[/COLOR] If they're metal hoops and the bass is 16" deep (shell size) it could be a 18" floor tom conversion. I think it may be a Marching drum conversion. It also may be an original set, still. The fact is, even with the info you've provided, without detailed pictures of the interiors and bearing edges, any determination beyond the size of the drums is simply conjecture. The drums may well be original. Impossible to tell with the information provided. Given that, you would be wise to pull the auction until you do have actual photographic evidence. Why? Because you will not have an accurate description, which at the very least will garner a bad seller rating when feedback is given. At the most, you will sell the drums for way below what they're actually worth. I think your posting of the auction is premature.
That's not correct.
The only 18 inch bass drum was the 18x14 bass drum for the Jet Outfit, which had metal hoops.
There was a 16x16 bass drum with wood hoops on the Cocktail Outfit.
I'm hoping for a miss-measurement by the seller, and that the bass is actually 18x14, with no mods.
That would just leave the bummer mount on the 12 inch.
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Just now looked at the posting again, and the bass is listed as 18x14 now....
I would still like to see interior shots of the bass to confirm it has not been cut down, but I'm more hopeful about this outfit now.
I'm really serious about the pics, I am watching the kit and might like to buy it. But without interior shots, it's passadeena for me.
How about it drjudd ???
Got some interiors for us???
KEVINS. Don't worry about that. The idea that anyone would get a 18 x 16 floor without a badge, cut it down, and then find a badge within 200 units of the snare is so unlikely that it can be disregarded.
And a rack and 14 floor all date stamped to match?
Pictures 2 & 3 show the bass badge diagonal, and picture 6 shows it parallel with the lugs, so it is clearly loose. That may give a question mark about re-wrap, but doesn't prove it.
This kit had JET written all over it as soon as it appeared, just a bit camoflaged!
Hope it gets what it's worth.
KEVINS. Don't worry about that. The idea that anyone would get a 18 x 16 floor without a badge, cut it down, and then find a badge within 200 units of the snare is so unlikely that it can be disregarded.And a rack and 14 floor all date stamped to match?Pictures 2 & 3 show the bass badge diagonal, and picture 6 shows it parallel with the lugs, so it is clearly loose. That may give a question mark about re-wrap, but doesn't prove it. This kit had JET written all over it as soon as it appeared, just a bit camoflaged!Hope it gets what it's worth.
Believe me, I hope it's a Jet also........
Without chewed bearing edges, water damage, ply separation,and so on, and so on.
Which some decent interior shots may reveal, as well as laying to rest any concerns about the originality of the bass.
Excuse me for being cautious, but I'll worry about that if I choose to.
Thanks
YOWZERS...............This string has taken off. OK, first things first. I canceled the Ebay listing even though I have 59 watchers.........I will repost it in two days so I hope I can accurately describe what I have by then. As soon as I dump the boy @ his teaching class *he's a drum tech for a local HS* I will come home and dismantle all the drums. I will take detailed pics and I will have a tape measure pic of the bass. I know you guys are busy but I am holding out hope that you will help me *plus you all really want it to be a JET?? don't you?*. So pics may start appearing at around 8pm pst. Oh, the camera I have is wierd....I may not be able to post all the pics I want on site due to pixel ct. and quanity. Can I send some to a trusted member who will post them for me if I can't? Either that or all of you have to email me indiv. and I will send them from my regular email. Thanks again for all the chat..............I love this forum.
drjudd & Harlee
ps: for those interested, here is a link of my son's bassline group from OregonCrusaders @ the DCI finals. It's their encore after winning gold in the I&E comp.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rhx_41421A[/ame]
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Here's the prelim. results of the autopsy.
The small tom has a rouge part on it. I unscrewed the adapter and it's a pearl. Small tom has 2 holes in it that don't look factory, but there was one small hidden hole that looks factory bored..........don't know what to say....
The other shells are fine except for a slight 1" delam. on one inner hoop on the big tom. It is where the angle cut was made and looks like it is unglued 3/4 of the way thru the hoop. Other than that there were no defects or holes or anything.
I tried to upload pics but they are too large. I sent a batch to Kevins maybe he can reduce them?
The badge for the kick has been bent and it swivels. I was the one that swiveled it in the last batch of pics. sorry. don't know how to fix it.
As you can see, the bevels are all nice and there are no real delaminations. Just the joint for one inner hoop is 3/4 unglued. I have a pic of that but can't upload. Let me see if I can find a site to store these pics and I'll add a url for you guys to see. I can't take any pics with the tape measure until my son gets home, will post them later.
thanks again for all the feedback.
drjudd & harlee
Here is the url for the pics. I downloaded alot.
logon: [email]juddeide@yahoo.com[/email]
password: isla000
*that's isla zero zero zero*
let me know what you think.
I didn't get your pics, but thanks for posting the ones you did.
