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Need Help identifying ludwig black panther set?

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Jwags;433887

Peeled back cortex and discovered orange yellow sparkly underneath 2 of the drums. The big kicker one 23w14 1/2. I think Has yellow sparkle under black vinyl. Under that is beautiful deep orange natural wood glossed over horizontal grain, Has leedy lugs from the 30s or 50s? Chrome over brass clips... remo weather king pad with pinstripe.... the other drum 16w16 or 16x15 idk how to measure... has orange sparkle but different than the base drum the are more fleks not circles under black panther, with pearl or slingerland lugs...

It maybe a citrus mod wrap you're seeing, Ludwig did wrap over shells with black panther that originally had cirus mod wrap.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 6 years ago
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It maybe a citrus mod wrap you're seeing.

That`s what I`m thinking too, Mark!!

Cheers

1976 Ludwig Mach 4 Thermogloss 26-18-14-14sn
1978 Ludwig Stainless 22-22-18-16-14-13-12 c/w 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24 concert toms
1975 Sonor Phonic Centennials Metallic Pewter 22-16-13-12-14sn (D506)
1971 Ludwig Classic Bowling Ball OBP 22-16-14-13
1960's Stewart Peacock Pearl 20-16-12-14sn
1980`s Ludwig Coliseum Piano Black 8x14 snare
1973 Rogers Superten 5x14 & 6.5x14 COS snares
1970`s John Grey Capri Aquamarine Sparkle 5x14 snare
1941 Ludwig & Ludwig Super 8x14 snare
Posted on 6 years ago
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I'm so sorry about my super long text. I was using voice and was so frustrated at that point all the research i have been doing and not being able to post pics

Posted on 6 years ago
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Posted on 6 years ago
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Please let me know if that google link works to see my album of pics of drums let me know if you need more pics

Posted on 6 years ago
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Holy crap, reread my original post, all i can say is wow! So sorry, i won't use/trust voice to text again.. lol

Posted on 6 years ago
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Still to get us to help we need to see pealed back portion of drum wrap you mite have a gold mine under those hides

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 6 years ago
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I can see the photos you put on Google. What I think I see includes

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[*]Two Ludwig Blue Olive era badges but I don't know which drums they belong to

[*]Concert toms (heads on just one end) which have Ludwig Classic lugs. They are painted (?) or otherwise covered in black but not necessarily Black Panther covering

[*]One concert tom which is painted black (?) and doesn't have Ludwig Classic lugs

[*]A bass drum which is probably not Ludwig (different lugs) and/or is not from the same era

[*]A floor tom I don't get a good enough view of to say much

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Others will have more familiarity with the exact look of Black Panther, and I'll wait on them. Black Panther has a specific grain structure

[img]http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=27054&d=1300967314[/img]

which I don't see in any of your pictures. But that may just be the quality of the images. The one I've posted comes from this long ramble about Black Panther: http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=11641&page=16

As jaghog mentioned we need to see a close up in focus detailed picture of whatever area is peeled back. In an attempt to bring order to chaos, how about you make a separate post in this thread for each individual drum? Give the dimensions, show the badge (if any), show the lugs, show the finish, and possibly show the inside of the drum to help with the identification. Each drum should have its own set of photos, and however you manage it we need to be able to know which photo relates to which drum rather than just point us to a single google gallery with 20 images in it.

On a more optimistic note, I once bought an 80s Ludwig kit where the snare drum had been painted black to match the rest of the kit. But when I received it the snare turned out to be a 1963 Jazz Festival which had been painted black. I removed the black paint and underneath was a pristine White Marine Pearl wrap. It had not yellowed because it had not been in the light for decades. So there is some hope that whatever finish may be under one or two of those drums it might be in pristine condition. If it is one of the highly collectable finishes then you would get a bit more money for the drum. Not a gold mine, but a nice bonus. For Ludwig Drums Citrus Mod is one such collectable finish, and it is known to be found lurking under Black Panther although how often that happens (1 in 50 Black Panther drums? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000?) I have no idea.

Posted on 6 years ago
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Jessica. ok from your link the two concert toms are ludwig the bass drum isn't a ludwig it maybe a leedy all of the other toms they're all Made in asia drum.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 6 years ago
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Bass Drum Lugs are Leedy.

The larger concert tom has Pearl lugs.

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Posted on 6 years ago
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