John Grey Orchestral snare drum questions

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Hey!

 

I've been semi-active on this forum for quite some time, and it's been really helpful with advice and information in the past. I posted a while back about a 50's Premier I'm halfway through restoring, and that's at the stage where I'm about to wrap it. When I finally get it done I'll post some pictures and you can all quietly judge my work!

In the meantime, I picked something up off ebay which is a bit of a head scratcher, and wondered if anyone knew of any more information about it. There's also some restoration work that needs doing to it which you can't see in the pictures. 

There really isn't much I can tell you that the pictures don't show. It's 13.5 by 6.5 (ish)", I believe it to be beech shelled, and although I can't see the layers it's 4mm thick. The lugs are I think nickel plated brass or copper. The dampener looks suspiciously like a 40's premier but nothing on it comes off any other drum I've seen of any period. The other pictures I've seen of it online look more modern than that but considering everything else on the drum I suspect it to be 30's or 40's at the latest, though this would be a guess. 

There is some restoration work to be done, namely around the snare strainer plate. The shell has bowed inwards and cracked along the grain where too much pressure has been applied, and the strainer is currently non functional. 

I have a few ideas on how to reinforce/repair the area, and I suspect I may need to use a plate to prevent more damage, although any advice on this would be appreciated. 

Any information or catalogues on John Grey snares which might give me an idea on how to date this, or give me some more detailed pictures of the strainer so I can repair it, would be much appreciated. 

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As you can see it's incredibly dirty, but other than the slight crack near the strainer it's in excellent condition. The finish is wonderful and just needs a clean; I don't think it's a veneer. 

It's a bit of a long shot but you never know!

 

 

Posted on 4 months ago
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Cool drum. These catalogs may not be old enough. 
https://drumarchive.com/JohnGrey/

Posted on 3 months ago
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Yeah unfortunately nothing comes up in them. 

 

I'd love to get a date for it. If i'd have to guess I'd say 30's ish. But it's hard. The snares are the only ones I have seen this kind of John Grey badge on. There's no other record of them I can find. 

Posted on 3 months ago
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Really interesting insights on the snare's tuning! Have you considered how different head materials affect sound projection?

Posted on 2 months ago
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A real treasure you have there!  It should clean up relatively easy. [I call 40 hrs. of tedious, intricate, cleaning, polishing, and mechanical function restoration to be 'relatively easy'! ha ha]. My guess would also be 1930s date of manufacture. Without actually seeing the drum I hesitate to give any advice as to the best ways to repair any structural damage. I will say that I'm not beyond bracing the shell structure internally with a metal plate should it be called for, and more often than not any shell "bowing" or "ovalling" usually will resolve itself when both heads are set and tensioned properly. A hairline crack in the shell most likely just needs a spot of glue. What a lucky drummer you are! Just think of all the great music this drum once performed and will do so again! 

 

Posted on 4 weeks ago
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