Last night I was looking over a Jazz Fest I just got and it seems that the badge has been tampered with based on the grommet being cut in two and there was evidence that it had been removed on the inside of the drum. The date stamp inside shows May or '66 or '68. The year is smudged and I can't decipher exactly what it says. The serial number on the badge starts with a 5 which should be '68, correct? Everything else on the drum appears to be original including the champagne sparkle wrap, white felt bb muffler and throwoff. My question is how much does this hurt the value of the drum? Also, this drum came with a set of '66 Hollywood with 2 12" toms, 16" ft and 22" bass and I am trying to determine if it actually came factory matched or if it was added later. The wrap matches exactly. Any insights you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated!
Jazz Fest Badge Issue
Let me answer your question with a question? What is the difference between a snare drum that is added to a kit but has the correct period serial Numbers wise? as opposed to a snare drum that was with the kit during purchase??? Who is going know or Care? ludwig serial Numbers are literally not consecutive to a kit so as long as they are in the time frame that's about as good as it's going to get! Post pics of the badge and gromment, but this is a fairly common thing to have broken gromments! I'm not trying to come off as a smart azz, but this question has come up many times,It's the samething with if the kit doesn't have the exact sizs as the catalog has pictured then your kit Isn't the correct kit, Bull Krap!!! they have the optional sizes listed below the pictures, Sorry I went off course there!LoLoLoLo
Let me answer your question with a question? What is the difference between a snare drum that is added to a kit but has the correct period serial Numbers wise? as opposed to a snare drum that was with the kit during purchase??? Who is going know or Care? ludwig serial Numbers are literally not consecutive to a kit so as long as they are in the time frame that's about as good as it's going to get! Post pics of the badge and gromment, but this is a fairly common thing to have broken gromments! I'm not trying to come off as a smart azz, but this question has come up many times,It's the samething with if the kit doesn't have the exact sizs as the catalog has pictured then your kit Isn't the correct kit, Bull Krap!!! they have the optional sizes listed below the pictures, Sorry I went oof course there!LoLoLoLo
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Sorry!
I re-read the post and I just saw the part about adding a drum with the correct general range of numbers on the badge. I agree. There shouldn't be a problem with that -especially with the snare drum.
I disagree about the broken grommet being common, though. Most of the time, broken grommets send up red flags for me.
When the catalogs were printed, there was no collector's market for the drums so the intention of the catalog was to suggest some configurations that could be altered (or not) according to the customer. However, all these decades later, the catalogs are used by collectors as a reference all the time. In other words, the original intent of the catalogs has changed and is now a big part of the drum collecting game.
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EDIT!Sorry!I re-read the post and I just saw the part about adding a drum with the correct general range of numbers on the badge. I agree. There shouldn't be a problem with that -especially with the snare drum.
OK devils advocate here then, how are you going to know if the snare drum as I stated is in the correct numbered sequence wasn't an added on later or not original, The kit could of come with a 400 yet I have another ludwig drum with the correct configuration and serial #'s how are you going to know it is or Isn't original?, your not! I could add a jazzfest, a supersensitive or a pioneer a 400 a 402, as long as the serial #'s are in the correct time frame! and if I was to go by essentially what is depicted in the catalogs I would be playing a 20,12,14 No thanks completely Useless to me! and as far as antique cars go you would be hard pressed to find an 100% original car! essentially they care that the frame and motor serial #'s are the same and that's it!we have one of the biggest car collectors in the world here in Hickory he sold reggie jackson three z28's and that was what Carl Dwiggins told me, the Numbers have to match on motor and the frame he then find's original parts to complete the car or refurbishes the original parts, yet it's considered factory?, JUST SAW THE UPDATE O-LUGS!!
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Thanks for the input guys! I guess my main question was how much does the badge issue hurt the value but it probably just depends on what the potential buyer is looking for. I guess the thing about vintage drums is there are always exceptions to the rules and you learn something new every time!
the badge gromment is a big deal, it will have negative effect on the resale value! how much depends on many factors, but yes it is a concern.It would of course be better if It wasn't broken.
the badge gromment is a big deal, it will have negative effect on the resale value! how much depends on many factors, but yes it is a concern.It would of course be better if It wasn't broken.
I personally don't see a broken badge grommet as a red flag......I've had a couple of KS badge Ludwigs that came from the factory like that. Maybe it was a Monday or a Friday drum......the drums were all original and they looked and sounded fine.
I think people are making a big deal out of nothing on this one.
Can't say for sure until I see it, but I stand by the fact that, in my experience, every time I have seen a broken grommet, it was due to some "user service". But to each his own. If it's not a big deal to you, then it's not a big deal to me that it's not a big deal to you! HA! Party
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