It's not so much the river drying up as it is too many people playing in it...

^ Bingo!!!

Agreed. I heard something about how more hipsters are wanting that vintage sound.

hey I'm happy that more new players are discovering the quality of vintage drums as long as they are hipsters and not gypsters....thankfully, this forum is populated with knowledgeable watchdogs who can smell a rat and have no problem exposing him or her.

"Hipsters" could care less about the sound, they care about the look and being able to tell someone it's vintage. 5 years from now, hipsters will be ditching this fad in favor of the new one.

I deleted 3 huge rants in favor of saying this. I believe the number of musicians in the pool is the same. I believe the number of instruments available on the market is the same. I believe the difference is investors and ignorant people demanding more than the piece is often worth (for one reason or another), thus creating an inflated ceiling on prices. If it's Pawn Stars, American Pickers, or eBay watching some investor's piece...they are getting wrong information. "I saw this '67 Ludwig snare for sale for $400 on eBay...mine is in as good of shape so it must be worth that much." WRONG!!! I am sorry, but nothing about instruments I can afford is rare...so telling me EVERYTHING Ludwig made in '67 is rare...is also wrong. It's the same with vintage cars though...VW people call a Solex carb "rare"...yeah, in the fact that VWOA no longer makes them. Rare is a stretch though since they easily made millions.

I will save the rest of my rant for another day...

Yes Sir

Well said

Yes Sir

Well Vinny, if a guy has a job that doesn't involve a computer and can't monitor the airwaves 24/7 for drums to come across the screen, what else is he to do to combat the guys who are canvassing the entire network looking for drums, for next to nothing, to sell to those same working stiffs at more money than they would pay if they just called the seller and upped their bid by a little? What about those guys? Are they expected to have to pay retail, allow the drum dealers to pay wholesale, and never try to cut out the middle man? We all know that by upping a bid to a CL ad, they will still be saving money over what that kit will be relisted at in a week, or probably sooner, in a lot of cases. You even said it in your OWN words, "I can actually tell you how much I paid for this kit, because I will never sell it." It was 1,000 dollars, on that other thread.

I don't think it is nice for fellow forum members to try to make a profit off of members all the time. I don't think it is nice for the flippers to not even share a good deal on CL, but rather ask that a member in another part of the country to pick it up for them, so that they can then resell it to a forum member at a nice profit.

Well I am off my Soap Box here. I just wanted to shift the perspective to looking at this situation from the eyes of the guys who don't sell drums for a living and simply enjoy them.

toodles

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To assume that every CL transaction is made by the so-called vintage drum militia, who're ever-prepared to scramble to action, is presumptuous, to say the least.

I've been the 1st to respond, 2nd & so on. I have been "bumped" (when 1st) by some amoral asps on more than one occasion. It happens; but I've never done it, & never will. It reflects very poorly on whomever does it, on the seller, too. I've sold on CL as well, & the only time I will sell to #2+ is if #1 is unresponsive (pretty much, if he doesn't show up when scheduled). Make a higher offer : sorry, only if so-&-so doesn't show. That should be the motto of anyone who doesn't enjoy being outbid by 5 skins. Just a suggestion.

What I find humorous is when X buys on CL then posts at a later date for higher $, some start tearful CL posts & start waving pitchforks high into the ethersphere.

Chris

For my part of the facts Id said that Ive picked and saved drums for fellow members without charging, Ive have donated parts and singles to fellow members without charging and Ive pointed good deals at CL on this very forum for other members to grab (even some within my grasp), So I cant feel offended by your points. Those guys know who they are and That Ive done this. I cannot see a wrong doin from a fellow member buying drums and them reselling them here or anywhere ellse as soon as his descriptions are accurate and he doesnt play any games. What im saying is that I wouldnt offer more money to a guy who's selling something AND HE ALREADY HAS A BUYER ON ITS WAY. I think that's unethical...Thats MY opinion.

Merely an opinion : it's a pet peeve when 1) anyone anywhere, on here or elsewhere, posts local CL items so that everyone from China to Chesapeake Bay can warp the asking price for anyone in town. Had this done on a 60's Rogers kit that was being listed for far less than worth {in fact, the outside party didn't even WANT the kit, just gave a major FYI to seller that kit was rare; I have a difficult time believing that that joker would like it if someone pointed out a similar kit that he was interested in??? Doubt it. Gotta wonder if this sort of thing isn't sour grapes {O yes, I realize this is sour grapes} since lad was too far away to buy it. I was indeed #2 - & I did not do the jerky upping the price crap business some so easily do. I can tell you it would have been easy peasy}. IF you're an out-of-towner & actually arrange shipment w/ seller to your drumshack then I've no gripe. You're the one risking not seeing things in person, so ....

The above, I think, is a mere part of what's skewing prices.

Again, what do I know? c