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Gretsch Snare Identification Last viewed: 9 minutes ago

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Hi this is my first post here. I just got a great deal on what I believe is an old Gretsch COB snare. It is the 'stop sign' badge but the biggest part that is throwing me off is the hexagonal tension adjuster. I have yet to find a picture of this on any website. As you can see if it has the knurling around the mid section. It also came with a Gretsch Permatone head which I would think wouldn't be original but for all I know it is? And lastly there is no sticker on the inside so I don't know the serial number at all. Hopefully someone has some knowledge about this drum. Thanks in advance!

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Posted on 8 years ago
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I would suggest that some or all of the tensioner / butt end is not original. I have a few similar era snare drums with a different type of butt end.

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Gretsch drums with serial numbers,
Ludwig Keystone and B/O badge drums with serial numbers and date stamps,
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Posted on 8 years ago
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And they screwed it in waaaaaay too tight.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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Looks like it may have been dropped on the butt end tensioner and that indented it. Had that happen to one of my Acros when I set it down too hard (ok I admit it, I dropped it) while in a soft carry bag. It is repairable !

If you take off the hoops and heads, the lugs around it and the butt of course, place it onto a hard rubber pad and use rubber mallet, you can softly bang out the indented area, you need to go slow and with soft tapping to get it to pop back into shape. Depending on the depth of the indent, you may also need yo use a small wood block (round) to get it back to its right place. I do not suggest heating it with a torch to get it to move easier like other metals as that will blacken and ruin the chrome.

Michael

No Guru - I just love collecting & learning about vintage drums!

Some of my favorites from the kits in the collection
58 WFL New Yorker Blue Sparkle
67 Ludwig Hollywood Red Psychedelic
69 Ludwig Standard Red Ruby Strata
70's Ludwig BOP "Ringo" Kit

A few of my favorite snares
20's Leedy Black Elite
51 Leedy & Ludwig Knob Tension
58 WFL Buddy Rich Classic Blue Sparkle
63 Walberg & Auge Sea Blue Agave Green Pearl
66 Leedy Shelly Manne Blue Agate Pearl
Posted on 8 years ago
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It's definitely a Gretsch drum. I wouldn't worry too much about the hex head on the tensioner. Likely the original got stripped and that was the most readily available replacement. Also a slight chance that Gretsch put that on at the factory, perhaps getting the wrong part from a supplier or running short of the ones with the normal knob. At the time no one was likely to notice or care about such a detail.

I believe the original style Lightning throw off like you have there was only used for a few years from around 1968-1974 before they went to the newer version with the center handle. With the SSB badge coupled with that throw off I'd say your drum is from roughly 1970, which would be right around the time Gretsch drum production left Brooklyn for Arkansas. That might also explain the oddball tensioner as there were some construction anomalies associated with that move as they had to get things sorted out.

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Posted on 8 years ago
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Thanks for all the feedback everyone! Very insightful. I decided to disassemble the drum altogether. All the hardware is in really good shape. Someone must have dropped this drum a few times or something because there are quite a few other dents around the throwoff and a couple lug locations. I'm going to very carefully try to hammer those out (rubber mallet of course) and shine her up. Can't wait to hear it with new heads and snares!

Posted on 8 years ago
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From Tonzokinawa

Thanks for all the feedback everyone! Very insightful. I decided to disassemble the drum altogether. All the hardware is in really good shape. Someone must have dropped this drum a few times or something because there are quite a few other dents around the throwoff and a couple lug locations. I'm going to very carefully try to hammer those out (rubber mallet of course) and shine her up. Can't wait to hear it with new heads and snares!

And all you owe us is pictures when you`re done.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 8 years ago
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