You'd more likely find a Slingy FT and snare- you could replace the Slingy lugs with Leedy's.Leedy lugs show up on 3bay fairly often.I think $250 is all the money.$150 is more like it.
Those lugs are not interchangeable.
There will be exposed holes from the larger Slingerland mounting footprint, and visible impressions left in the wrap.
Offer what you think is fair (or what the drums are worth TO YOU) and see what happens. I have nothing against that. Maybe he'll take your offer. J please don't think I am coming down on you for asking about value. I know you didnt come here braggins saying "Hey this guy is asking $250 for these...Im gonna run over there and wave $150 in his face and say "take it or leave it."" Those true colors were shown by another member. Funny how someone could say it might cost you up to $100 to find the correct Ts and claws for a kit (implying that the 10 Ts and claws on the bass drum that ARE present are worth $100) and then that same person will tell you that both drums are worth $150 total. Hmm...
Who cares if these drums are for sale by my friend...or some other relatively knowledgeable vintage drum enthusiast? All Im saying is that it is pretty lame to publicly state in a forum that your angle is to start low and go lower when you "negotiate". How do you know that the person you are dealing with doesn't frequent this forum? Its pretty much just a sure fire way to look like a big d-i-c-k. to people you should want to be honest and fair with. The community, if you will.
I say make a respectable offer (in private) on the two birthday drums, and see what he says. If you get them, find a floor from a similar year for $200-$250 and call it one of the best sounding drum sets you have ever played for a heck of a deal. Or if you think finding the other drum will be too hard...or that the minor mods on these are too much for you to handle...then pass and wait till you find the right ones as a complete kit. Just don't try to take advantage of someone and then brag about it in public. Thats not cool.
-Adam
Offer what you think is fair (or what the drums are worth TO YOU) and see what happens. I have nothing against that. Maybe he'll take your offer. J please don't think I am coming down on you for asking about value. I know you didnt come here braggins saying "Hey this guy is asking $250 for these...Im gonna run over there and wave $150 in his face and say "take it or leave it."" Those true colors were shown by another member. [COLOR="Red"]Funny how someone could say it might cost you up to $100 to find the correct Ts and claws for a kit (implying that the 10 Ts and claws on the bass drum that ARE present are worth $100) and then that same person will tell you that both drums are worth $150 total. Hmm...[/COLOR]Who cares if these drums are for sale by my friend...or some other relatively knowledgeable vintage drum enthusiast? All Im saying is that it is pretty lame to publicly state in a forum that your angle is to start low and go lower when you "negotiate". How do you know that the person you are dealing with doesn't frequent this forum? Its pretty much just a sure fire way to look like a big d-i-c-k. to people you should want to be honest and fair with. The community, if you will.I say make a respectable offer (in private) on the two birthday drums, and see what he says. If you get them, find a floor from a similar year for $200-$250 and call it one of the best sounding drum sets you have ever played for a heck of a deal. Or if you think finding the other drum will be too hard...or that the minor mods on these are too much for you to handle...then pass and wait till you find the right ones as a complete kit. Just don't try to take advantage of someone and then brag about it in public. Thats not cool.-Adam
[COLOR="Red"]-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
All drums are worth more part-by-part than they are assembled, you know that, Adam.
[COLOR="red"]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/COLOR]
About the drums....
Personally, the only way I'd buy these if if the wraps were toast and I could re-cover to cover up the extra holes in both drums. (and disclose that the holes are there)
To break even, I'd have to get them for a very low price.
So, to me, it just wouldn't be worth buying them at all.....
I've got no dog in this hunt at all, so.................................
To me the tom is worth $160 in good+ shape.... with a relocated mount (what kind?) and extra holes showing (I'm assuming showing, it's not clear to me that they are).....$60
The bass looks to have a Rogers mount installed that could be used to mount a cymbal, for me, that's less of an intrusion than say, having a Ludwig tom post mount installed. Still, it takes away from the value.... along with the incorrect T-handles and claws.
Still, I'd probably be comfortable paying $160 or so. If she were correct, I'd go $300.
About the fresh heads thing.
I might be in the minority here, but I really don't count fresh heads as being a big boost to a sales price.
I'm gonna change out the heads anyway, unless they happen to be my heads of choice.
I seldom put fresh heads on a drum I'm selling, cause I assume the buyer's gonna do the same thing I do.
This and a buck seventy-five will get you a non-fair trade cup 'o joe at the local convenience store.........
Peace, All
HAVE FUN, BEAT A DRUM !!
When I find a drum set that I dont know anything about I go to the guys on the forum to get some help. I also use e-bay completed listings to see how many of these drums were sold and for how much. This particular kit is over two hundres miles away so its hard to just stop by and look at them. I could call the seller and ask him questions but I really wasnt too serious about buying them yet and did not want to bug him, yet. Seems the guys on the forum enjoy looking at c/l adds and doing thier best appraisal. Like in any forum , if you ask a question you could get 20 different answers, then you have to use all of that info to help you decide what is best. Now that I have several answers ( thank you) I will decide what to do. I do have another drum to pick up someday in Madison (plus mabey we can catch a good show at the Barrymore, saw John Hiatt there last summer, awsome!) I hope these are still for sale because I would like to see them and using my knowledge that I got from this forum, decide if I want them and how much I want to pay, in person, in private. You know it all comes down to how much you really want the item anyway. If I fell in love and they look very nice and the seller is a nice guy then I might just pay the asking price. I have sold some drums and almost every time I have come down on my price for the buyer.
Anyway, thank you everyone for the advice I really do appreciate it!!!
Jeff C
It's a known fact, at least to the "knowledgeable" people on this forum, that a drum is worth more parted out! And who said anything about starting low and going lower? Maybe your friend should have come here first and asked what they might be worth before putting them up for sale. However the drums may sound, and I am sure they sound great, they are a players kit! You should know that people on this forum want unaltered kits, so they are not going to value altered drums at what they might be worth. This is a great forum so please, keep your bad comments to yourself. Tell you what, I have some extra Slingerland claws, probably enough to replace the ones your friend needs. I will ship them to him free. I know you have been buying and selling, maybe you have some T's laying around that you could give him and then maybe he can get what he's asking!
Those lugs are not interchangeable.There will be exposed holes from the larger Slingerland mounting footprint, and visible impressions left in the wrap.
I'm resurrecting a set of Radio King bongos. I found that the holes for the grunged-out beaver tail lugs on the radio king smaller drums are interchangeable with the leedy lugs.
I'm resurrecting a set of Radio King bongos. I found that the holes for the grunged-out beaver tail lugs on the radio king smaller drums are interchangeable with the leedy lugs.
That's good to know.
Those beavers were some tiny-ass pot metal exploding lugs, especially on a snare drum.
Good to know the next time I have a blowout.
Now those Leedy lugs you have posted there, what is the mounting hole footprint?
The lugs I measured are different than those.
It's all good guys. I understand parts pricing...and i understand that most pricing quotes on here are for "collectables" by people with "collections" who will only offer pennies for drums if they aren't factory. It makes sense. They already own tons of drums, and if the drums aren't valuable for resale as collectables...why pay for them? Thats totally fair and maybe Im a little mixed up in complaining here.
To me, $150 doesn't reflect their value as "musical instruments" and that set me off. I am partial to this era of Slingerland produced drums and Im sure that has something (irrational) to do with my response. Its no doubt this brand of drums is undervalued. I LOVE that because it means more deals for me on the drums I love to play.
Sometimes I forget that this is not as much the place for "musical instruments" as it is for "collectibles". Dont get me wrong...thats not a rip...I know almost all of the people on here are musicians and love these drums for their musical contributions, but when it comes to pricing, its more about collecting. I also understand wanting to get vintage drums for the lowest dollar...everyone wants that!!!
My point in mentioning the parts example was that I think its dumb that things operate that way. We've all discussed this before obviously. The "collectable" pricing I totally get. As a "collectable" couple of drums $150 is probably pretty right on. I shouldn't have pooped my pants over that one. A couple extra holes on the tom, unoriginal mount (no extra holes) on the bass drum. I get it. As collectables: $150. Sure.
As parts? What do you think? $300+? Probably get $50 per bass drum hoop! It sucks that the vintage drum market encourages the destruction of our historical items and devalues their contribution to our society "musically". Their sound (if someone is looking to actually play them vs set them in a corner) is no doubt worth more than $150. For our society to say they are worth $150 is to say that these two drums are worth $100 LESS than the price of a new TAMA Superstar floor tom. I just don't get that, and it makes me pull my hair out. Hopefully we'll see that trend change. Maybe we wont. Who knows.
The thing that set off my temper here was the comment "you know the drill...off less...much less." In my opinion that's just bad business. Especially to advertise it on a public forum. I don't care who you are. In my opinion that is not a good "drill" to operate by. Im not calling out the person who said it on a personal level. Im just saying that his comment is what set me off. Not saying anyone is a bad person or that the comment was meant to be underhanded. It just struck me that way.
Ultimately I guess I don't really care what these two drums are "worth" or what he sells them for as long as he is happy with the money. He has plenty of drums. I just felt a need to "e-stand up" and go a couple rounds in defense when that kind of "advice" is given on how to do "business" with a friend of mine. Thats just human nature. Im not mad at anyone and Im not trying to sound like a whiney little baby here. Sorry if some of that happened. I know it did.
Also, sorry to hi-jack your thread with complaining about the vintage drum market. Thats not cool either. I know we all get it.
-Adam
That's good to know.Those beavers were some tiny-ass pot metal exploding lugs, especially on a snare drum. Good to know the next time I have a blowout.Now those Leedy lugs you have posted there, what is the mounting hole footprint?The lugs I measured are different than those.
[COLOR="Red"]1 and 5/8 inches give or take a 16th or so.[/COLOR]
