At this point I would want to see close ups of the edges. Can you tell if the fiberglass goes into the edge or is there wood under the fiberglass?

I also see what dont look to be Rogers spurs. Are there extra holes in the spur mount area (inside)

Here is my best guess at this point. It does not really look like the inside of any Blaemire shell I have seen. The mesh is to pronounced, like it was layed in there over the wood. Maybe someone did what Neil Peart used to have done to his drums. It was called "vibra-fibing".

This is what Tommy Wells said about it:

The vibra-fibing process was done by Neal Graham of XL Specialty Percussion. It was hard clear fiberglass and the "Cheesecloth" in it to hold the glass. It was done using a centrifuge, so regardless of your shell, the inside of the drum was perfectly round after the fiberglass had been applied. I had 2 kits and 3 bass drums that had been vibrafibed.

More pictures if you have time and really want to get down to what you have.

I hope I helped a little.

Jerry

Hi Guys,

I was waiting for Jerry to respond and didn't realise that the thread had gone on to two pages and he already had, so I am sorry for not posting this earlier.

http://s1267.photobucket.com/albums/jj555/Countreemonkee/

I have added some more photos which I hope will help you, excuse my close ups, I need a tripod tbh. I'm not sure if you can see the green tinge to the shell, however, it almost looks white at some points where it comes through the mesh and the green that you can see is way darker than a Blaemire I think. I'm not even sure if what we think could be black paint actually is paint or whether it's the colour of the fibre, the ends of the fibre are black in a way that paint couldn't be, unless it was a stain I suppose.

Looking at the various photos that Jerry has uploaded I would say my shells seem thinner than the Blaemire's. There is definatley no wood in the shell, I hope you can see where the colour of the wrap ends and the fibreglass begins in the photos.

The bass spurs seem to be original at the time of making the drums (which to me says they may be from the eighties) as there are no other holes in the shell or patch up marks to suggest they were retro-fitted.

One thing that may help is the tom lug dimensions:

2-5/16" in length with the gap between the centres of the holes being 1-11/16", I work in CM's so I hope I said that right. I need at least three this size (if anyone can help I'd appreciate it) and looked on ebay for some only to be told that Rogers Lugs are all one size 3" and 2 3/8" between the centres, if this is correct, then my lugs are copies, I already think the bass drum logo and the badge on the tom are not original so this is no surprise.

The snare that came with the kit is metal and has a Newsound strainer on but no logo or badge, I remember the name from the past but can't find out who made them, any ideas?

Again, thanks for you continued interest, I am starting to obsess about them a little now and don't think of much else. The only drum I've played properly so far is the tom, I set it up with a Mapex kit (which is horrible) at band practice, it looks and sounds great to me, so whatever the verdict I'm happy.

best way to ascertain if your lugs are genuine Rogers is to compare one to a lug you know is real. You could also remove one and see what is inside.

spurs are not rogers, floor tom mounts and legs are not rogers, screws that hold on lugs are not rogers, and i see no gromets and no inside badges only things that look rogers are the lugs and script badges, the blue sparkle is not rogers looks more like ludwig type blue sparkle..

Definitely not a Blaemire. Looking at pic #7 and what looks to be cut strands of fiberglass in the edge...I will have to admit that I am at a loss as to what this drum is. It is unlike any I have seen, unless it is a Fibes. I have seen at least two or three variations of Fibes shells, and maybe this is yet another.

Sorry I cant help any more than that.

Interesting drum non the less.

I've seen shells like this before. I'll wrack my pea-brain and see if it comes out of the fog and report back if I remember.

[SIZE="2"]I got it![/SIZE]

It came to me this morning as I was having a second cup of coffee.

It dawned on me also (like jonnistix) that I had seen this before but could not place it.

They are Milestone shells. Milestone was a Canadian fiberglass drum company.

Take a look at this pic.

[IMG]http://iknowcss.com/jj/Milestone.jpg[/IMG]

Woah!

Jinx, I am so grateful dude, that's the one! As soon as I saw the picture I knew you had it.

So someone has taken the milestone logo (which wasn't too tasteful anyway) and replaced it with a Rogers badge and bass drum logo because they matched the lugs, lol cheeky!

So what's the score with a refurb on these then? I've done a brief bit of research and although the sound and construction of the shell was praised the hardware and service seemed to let the company down. As I've had three lugs go on me whilst tuning the tom (which I then had to steal off the floor tom) I would have to concur. Are my lugs copies? If so, I don't need them if they're gonna crack and let me down. Do you think some nutter might have put real Rogers lugs on? Mine are 2-1/4" in length with hole centres being 1-3/4", I was wrong in my previous post. I can't find any beavertail matches in that size, in fact I'm struggling to find any lugs at all, can anyone help.

My plan is to find tasteful, modern lugs and hoops (S hoops), smooth my bearing edges and have a decent looking kit with a kick ass sound! The way I see it I don't need to be faithful to reproducing an image or style if the majority of the hardware on my drums is fake. Anyone need a Rogers badge and some sketchy/possibly real lugs? LoLoLoLo

Pictures will be posted if your interested.

Once again thank you so much for your input, I don't know whether I'm gonna qualify to be in your forum soon, not sure if a bastardised 80's kit is still vintage, but it's been a pleasure being here for a while and you've all been so helpful I might need to find an old Gretsch just so I can keep in touch!

Special thanks to:

Drumjinx

Purdie shuffle

And Jonnistix

Oh and a big shout from across the pond too Clapping Happy2

Hate to think you're going to be a stranger. You're a good fit here.

Photos and a review please - after you refurbish them.

And... although our two countries speak different languages, I shout, hello, back at you. :p

John

Rogers Beavertail BD lug is a 2 1/4" hole spacing center to center. I may have a small beavertail here that isnt mounted. I will see if I can find it. There will be a number on the inside of the lug.