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Clamshell Strainer Tips?

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Good Evening,

I have a beautiful 59 Slingerland Radio King in BDP with the dreaded Clamshell strainer. I have struggled mightily getting this drum to be as sensitive and articulate as I prefer. I have built an adapter plate for it, and it works adequately. Prior to that I even blew a chunk of change buying Puresound wires for it that I thought quite frankly was a waste of money.

All of this said, I can't help but wonder if I didn't mess with the strainer enough to find a setting where the drum sounded good. So with this I ask, does anyone have any tips or tweaks to use for getting a Slingy with the clamshell strainer to actually work well and sound good?

Thanks

Chris

Posted on 13 years ago
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Do you have the washers on the hex bar roller?

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 13 years ago
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Do you have the washers on the hex bar roller?

Jim, yes. I even tried washers with varying thicknesses but never quite got it dialed in to the point where I was happy. With the CS strainer equipped, the drum had great tone, but the snare sound was always a bit transparent sounding. Also when I tuned the snares as tight as I wanted them, I was unable to get a clean tone with the snares turned off (always a lot of buzz in the off position)

Posted on 13 years ago
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see my post further down the page...i think it's titled clanshell

30's Radio King - 26, 13, 13, 16
49 - WFL Ray McKinley - 26, 13, 16
58 - Slingerland Duco
58 - Slingerland Krupa Deluxe
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 20, 12, 14
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 22 (need), 13, 16
And some others..
Posted on 13 years ago
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Some good info there, thanks. Although "clanshell" didn't come up on my search so I missed the thread entirely prior to posting this one. ;)

Does the general consensus seem to be that the wires should rest just off the head in the off position? With my wires and one washer in place, my wires seem to really dip upwards into the snare beds on both sides. Perhaps I should try an even thicker stack of washers to provide greater separation?

Posted on 13 years ago
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just grabbed the one my son is currently gigging with...i put one really thin washer on each side. new springs...and one other thing you can try that i have done with these is loosen the screws on the inside and i believe i push the clams to the very top of the hole if that description makes sense. there is a little micro play in there..your adjustment may vary or be different but it gives you a place to look other than more and more washers.

30's Radio King - 26, 13, 13, 16
49 - WFL Ray McKinley - 26, 13, 16
58 - Slingerland Duco
58 - Slingerland Krupa Deluxe
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 20, 12, 14
70 - Ludwig Champagne Sparkle - 22 (need), 13, 16
And some others..
Posted on 13 years ago
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I just spent a few hours attempting to adjust my clamshell strainer using the various tips in this and my previous (mis-spelled) thread. I have reached a few conclusions, some of which may be considered blasphemous.

There are a few things you can do to make the operation better, but in the best of situations I don't see how it is possible to get the CS to actually throw off as a normal strainer would. Most strainers move the snare wires vertically when the throw-off is operated, so that they drop out of contact with the head. The CS has very small vertical movement, and really just changes the tension in the wires as the lever is operated. There is some vertical movement, but it is very small. This is because of the geometry of the strainer motion. The crossbar moves in an arc. The combination of the radius of the arc and its orientation, that is nearly tangent to horizontal, makes nearly all of the motion horizontal.

It helps to work on it with the bottom head removed, then you can really see the relationship between the snare beds and the wires, but keep in mind that the presence of the head will change the clearance (obvious).

Make sure that both crossbars are free to rotate. If you use washers make sure they have a small enough OD so that they don't interfere with the rotation of the crossbars.

With the snare wires in place and the head removed, space the snare wires out enough to clear the snare bed. Check that the snare wires are paralell to the plane of the drum head (if it was there). Mine had a little twist that was remedied by loosening the screws holding the CS parts to the shell, adjusting the orientation and tightening the screws. I also moved the CS parts down as far as they would go to provide maximum clearance with miniumum washers.

On the throw-off side, adjust the jam nuts inside the drum on the lever pivot so that it is operating an the range that gives the most vertical difference between off and on. In either case it's nearly microscopic, but get as much out of it as you can.

Put it all back together and experiment with different number of washers. The "just clear the bed when off" seems to provide the best compromise. The final adjustment is to put the arm in the "off" position, and then play with the adjustment screw until you get a suitable compromise between "off" and "on" sound. I was not able to get a full "off" position that would get me a nice crisp snare sound in the "on" position. Find what works best. I just decided to not use this snare when I need a real "off" sound.

Make sure that you don't put a twist in the snare wires when you tighten down the snare wire screws onto the crossbars. As you tighten the screw down you want to get even tension in all the snares.

The Clamshell is one of the coolest looking strainers out there, but functionally it is something of an abomination. Did Krupa ever really play with one of these? I'll probably make an adapter plate and install a functional strainer, and keep the original one for showing.

Working with this makes me understand why so many CS drums don't have original strainers.

Please forgive my blasphemy.

'56-'59 Slingerland BDP "Krupa Deluxe Ensemble"
DW Classics "Buddy Rich"
PDP CX
Various orphan shells and parts nearing critical mass
Posted on 13 years ago
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One additional thing to try is working with the tension of the 4 lugs nearest the snare wires. I have found that loosening or tightening them adjusts the shape of the snare-side head which allows the wires sit at a more optimum contour to engage/disengage the wires.

Hope this helps!

....lovin' that vintage sound
Posted on 13 years ago
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Lenos & QuestforDrums, thanks for the info and the thoughtful posts. I have known for some time that Slingerland really wet the bed with the CS design, but when I found my drum I couldn't pass it up. I'll try some of your suggestions and work with it a bit and see if I can find the perfect compromise (yet again). Lenos, just like you, I too could not find a position where the snares were completely disengaged and tight enough to suit my preferences when engaged.

Has anyone had any success deepening the snare beds?? (blasphemy I know)

Posted on 13 years ago
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Speaking as the owner/player of two RKs, the clamshell is indeed delicate and 'temperamental', but if one can manage to maintain proper alignment ( the tension of the bolts securing the strainer and butt to the inner shell is critical), it is a sensitive, easily and quickly adjustable strainer.

Of my two, the 1940... the first year of production... has been trouble free, while the 1958 has required occasional readjustment.

For me, the vital thing is the sound and response of the DRUM.

A good sounding RK is unique... a thing of beauty. Ron

Posted on 13 years ago
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