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Canadian A Zildjian Flare (aka “bop”) hi hat value?

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Years ago I happened upon an A. Zildjian “Made in Canada” flange hi hat bottom (1434g). I found a great reference on VDF to show that indeed Zildjian reproduced these hats again for a period in the 70s after their initial run in the 50s (albeit heavier in the 70s than the originals).

It’s not AZCO, and from the logo and hammering most definitely an Avedis Canadian instead of a Canadian K. Even without a matching Canadian top hat is this thing any more valuable than a standard set of 14” 70s New Beats?

The cymbal on the top (1196g) in the pic is an American A Zildjian top hat from the 70s that I’m using with them right now.

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Posted on 5 years ago
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I don't pick up any detectable price difference between A Zildjian Made in Canada cymbals and A Zildjian Made in USA cymbals. I also don't pick up any detectable price difference between Flange Hats and other models. On the other hand, detecting a difference is tricky because of the inherent level of variability in prices. I've only got 16 examples of Flange Hats, mostly from the 1950s period (Trans Stamp Type II through Small Stamp Type B).

A pair of flange hats like yours (Made in Canada) sold in Dec 2016 for $114. They were 857g over 1352g. There was also a pair of USA Flange Hats with the 1.5" tall version of the 60s stamp which went for $170 in May 2018. They were 1020g over 1043g. The other thing about the 70s version of the flange is that it is larger than the 1950s version. In the 70s version it is over an inch, in the 50s version it is half an inch. The "over an inch" for the 70s version is based on other people's measuring. The half inch for the 50s version is from just going into my drum room and measuring the flange on mine. You could add to the general level of information by measuring the flange on yours.

The current best estimate for 14" hat prices is in my discussion here:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-prices.html#14

You can scroll down for info on orphans which come after the pairs sold as pairs. A single 70s Flange Hat orphan bottom weighing 1247g sold in Feb 2017 for $46.

Hope this helps.

Posted on 5 years ago
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Hi Zenstat, that's very helpful, thank you! I've been using your guide for quite some time now, I really appreciate the level of analytical rigor you apply to your models.

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