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Buyer Beware ! Last viewed: 5 hours ago

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Two buyers recently became victims of a vintage drum fraud. The seller's name is Justin Nelson and he is working out of a small town in the Southern Interior of B.C. Canada.

Harry's information was sent to me today. He is one of the victims. A second set of drums that contained a fake Dynasonic snare drum - sold by Justin - recently showed up in B.C. Both Dynasonic snare drums, one red sparkle and one blue sparkle, were thoroughly examined by Vintage Rogers drum experts and were found to be without a doubt fakes.

I asked Harry if he would mind if I posted this here and he said please do. He went on to say this information needs to be out there as a warning NOT to buy from this person he cannot be trusted.

HARRY'S STORY as mailed to me today:

The blue sparkle Rogers with the faked DS is back in BC. They arrived yesterday, I have spoken to eBay and PayPal and they will see me whole if Justin does not refund. It was a dirty deal -the snare has 14 plies (a DS has 10 between shell and reinforcing ring)--the lugs were springless and too new, there was no tone control, the shell was all maple, the badge serial number too high, no difference between the shell under a lug and out in the open. Some poor bass drum gave up a piece of plastic to be glued on a newer Keller shell and then a donor DS metal snare gave up its parts. I could still smell the interior finish which would not happen with the Fruitwood stain Rogers used 47 years ago. From a distance and without inspection, it was a good forgery. Two guys from your neck of the woods warned me about Justin Nelson and that's why I took the snare drum apart. I was furious and I will be out $400 to ship the damn things back! Spread the word--he is not trustworthy in my opinion.

Posted on 12 years ago
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I'm sure everyone appreciates the warning, especially those of us who are still searching for a good wood shelled Dyna. Stories like this just reinforce my scepticism. I will not purchase a wood Dyna, no matter how beautiful it looks online, unless I can hold it in my hands and examine it in detail myself.

Thanks for sharing.

-No Guru... still learning more every day-
Posted on 12 years ago
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Harry,

I feel for you mate! :), i too was a victim of fee/prey bay over 4.5yrs ago.

I saw on there(fee/preybay) a Ludwig Mod Orange double kick kit for $1500 inc shipping to 3131 AUS.I DIDN'T check the sellers feedback at the time as i was pretty "green" &new to fee/preybay.Also i paid the seller outside fee/preybay by Moneygramm as soon as i found out both his name &address(or just his address) was fake it's far&too late for me to get my money back form both fee/preybay&Money Gramm as if the seller collects the money then i have NO protection &as i went outside fee/preybay.They( fee/preybay) did attempt&try to get my money back as did the local fraud squad in Melbourne Australia but to all to no avail i lost $840 AUD!.I've since learnt to CHECK the feedback AND preferably ONLY deal with sellers on this site or similar inc Cymbalholics .com

Best of luck! :)

Ado.

P.S.The "seller's" name is :Richard Miller from Indianna.

Posted on 12 years ago
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some guy named ivan is selling hardware in midwest he takes money and u dont hear from him. for once paypal buyer protection worked 60 days later i got my money back how paypal did it i dont know but iam glad its over...buyer beware is right

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 12 years ago
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Ebay is a cesspool with its roots in consumer Hell.

I jumped off the ebay/Paypal merry-go-round two years ago and every time I read one of these horror stories it only reinforces how right my decision was to leave.

Sorry to hear all this. Honest people being raked over the coals by thieves and low-lifes. Doesn't have to be that way.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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I gotta say..

Theres a guy in Ontario that deals mainly in Vintage Rogers..and some other USA drums..but 90% Roger's

He's near Oshawa / Port Hope...(Ontario/Canada)

I can say that he makes knock off wood dyna's..

*Has a steam wood bender in his garage..

Alwayings buying strainners/lugs etc..

A buddy of mine,...was showing with pride his vintage wood dyna in blue onxy to me....(how he bought it for $575 awesome deal.?).

.then the conversation went to..I bought it off this crazy guy from Port hope ,..... / and his name is,....?

I didn't have the heart to tell him..that he bought a knock off..!

I'm not posting his name..

however if you check kijiji...Toronto area / rogers..

you'l see (check sellers other ads...click on this &

you'l see about 4/5 rogers kits and a few others..

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 12 years ago
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You need to expose these people when something happens to you personally. If you just call a guy a crook and a thief like we all know certain drum assemblers are from BC Canada who has his own web site and forum and is the joke of the industry, well, its just not dunn...Seriously,you have to take on the responsibility yourself and take it on the chin. I realized that guy was a liar/lowlife when he tried to convince me Rogers offered 15"floor toms in the 60,s, and he tried to make me look foolish for calling him out. Do your homework and get references when ever possible.....That guy remains on my to do list.

Hit like you mean it!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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Soap BoxThe guy in question that lives in port hope is a scammer and he know he's a scammer that plays with words when he get's called out or caught , he just burnt me bad on a 6.5 supraphonic "junk" trade for some mint rogers dynasonic early holiday parts , the guy is a member here and i will call him out when he post .

He also has burnt one of my big Quebec customers with one of his infamouse wood dyna's the guy is a total scumbag with no shame

If i would have known about this guy i would have never have traded him those dyna and rogers part's cause i know know that he is going to build one more fake to take avantage of a vintage drum guy that would love to have a real wood ds in his collection .

One day W/H is going to burn the wrong guy and he's going to get more than just leagle troubles on his hand's , karma has a way to pay guy's like that back i just hope that i get to read about it .

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1979 12 pc ludwig power factory
Posted on 12 years ago
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I really think you should post this bottom feeders name. It may save a young inexperienced guy the trouble of getting the police involved. I cant recall his correct name or i would spread it everywhere

Hit like you mean it!!
Posted on 12 years ago
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Good to know! Thanks people! I deal with quebec/ontario kijiji people all the time. I figure that once people get burned on these fakes some people will also try to resell them to make up for their losses.

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
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Posted on 12 years ago
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