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Buddy Rich 1940s kit question Last viewed: 4 hours ago

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I'm sure this has been posted before--are there any new questions about Buddy or Bonham?--but I can't find it, so I'm asking: what kit is Buddy playing in this clip?

It's from Norman Ganz's 1950 documentary "Improvisation," which features footage from the Jazz at the Philharmonic concerts. Buddy's setup is noteworthy for its overall sparseness, with no ride cymbal at all, only hats. Of the drums the most unusual pieces have to be the rack tom--is that an 8" or 10"?--and piccolo snare. I'll attach a couple of cropped screen grabs that show the kit and the BR on the bass drum.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vDW0ANRim8"]Lester Young & Bill Harris - Pennies from heaven - YouTube[/ame]

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1982 Ludwig Classic in white Cortex, 24-13-14-18 + Coliseum snare
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Posted on 11 years ago
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Great clip...thanks! I can't answer your question, but it's fun to see such a young, restrained Buddy on such a minimal kit.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Looks like an 18" bass, 8" ride tom and a 10x14" floor tom, along with that piccolo snare.

Looks like Ludwig snare lugs on the ride tom, don't know what the others are.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From doublestroke kid

I'm sure this has been posted before--are there any new questions about Buddy or Bonham?--but I can't find it, so I'm asking: what kit is Buddy playing in this clip?It's from Norman Ganz's 1950 documentary "Improvisation," which features footage from the Jazz at the Philharmonic concerts. Buddy's setup is noteworthy for its overall sparseness, with no ride cymbal at all, only hats. Of the drums the most unusual pieces have to be the rack tom--is that an 8" or 10"?--and piccolo snare. I'll attach a couple of cropped screen grabs that show the kit and the BR on the bass drum.Lester Young & Bill Harris - Pennies from heaven - YouTube

dblstrk kid!

DanC is essentially correct... but there's a little more info of course! The ONLY drum that was actually a "real drum".. meaning .. that Buddy played with any regularity, is the 3X13 WFL Buddy Rich Be-bop.. ( shown in the clips/pics here ) .. and, this drum was also cataloged by WFL AS the WFL 3X13 Buddy Rich Be-bop. The snare drum was built entirely by request for Buddy as he was playing with all small groups at this time. He had abandoned his big band pursuits during this period... for the most part anyway. That said, Buddy was looking for some drums that would "fit in" with the small group jazz he was playing, and requested a 3X13 Piccolo with his thought being that this drum would be more in keeping with the small group vibe.. plus .. it would also combat the heavy air conditioning in the studios. It would seem that the AC was wreaking havoc with the calf heads of the day, and a smaller drum would be easier to keep that in check. The extremely HOT Kleig lights of the day were also a problem with standard size snare drums, and BR thought this size would work much better... which it did! I actually have FILM of Buddy playing a studio date using this snare drum, although the rest of the kit "appears" to be standard in size. WFL built this set kinda as a "one of"... but there doesn't seem to be much more info on it, other than what I mentioned here. It all started with Buddy's request for the 3X13 snare drum though! Attached is a pic I lifted off the film!

Tommyp

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How about that? Thanks, Tommy! So those were made by WFL for Buddy to his specifications for small-combo jazz but he never really took to 'em?

Currently playing for loud rock and roll gigs:
1982 Ludwig Classic in white Cortex, 24-13-14-18 + Coliseum snare
For quieter gigs:
Early '70s Whitehall Tiger Eye Pearl 20-12-14-14
Neglected but thinking about:
Early '70s Sonor Champions in Rosewood, 22-12-13-16
Posted on 11 years ago
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From doublestroke kid

How about that? Thanks, Tommy! So those were made by WFL for Buddy to his specifications for small-combo jazz but he never really took to 'em?

dblstrk kid!

Well no... not "those were made", but just the 3X13 yes! The actual set of WFL drums in these clips were, from what I have been able to gather, a "one of"... and Buddy didn't really play/gig them as he did with his standard sized drums, again... the 3x13 BR be-bop being the exception. He played that drum for a while and liked it!... 'till he didn't. It was never brought out again as Buddy returned to the WFL 5.5X14 Buddy Rich Classic snare drum. I have both in my Buddy Rich snare drum collection. The 3X13 BR is a 1949/50, and the 5.5X14 BR is a 1955. I'll attach a couple pics!

Tommyp

Posted on 11 years ago
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You know... I almost forgot, actually, I DID forget!...to add:

This film clip was dubbed. They were not playing LIVE. It was pre-recorded in the studio.. then .. they "played" to the audio as the film was shot. In certain spots you can see BR laughing a bit, and that was because he was quite amused with this "technique" of recording supposedly LIVE music. In my collection of "all things BR"... I have an interview where he discussed this session and how it was done.

Tommyp

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