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Black Beauty Snares

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I made a post about the BB snare recently, but I think my post was far too vague to get any answers, haha. So I'll make this a simple survery type questionnaire.

I'm a little confused with the release of different black beauty snares (in terms of the building materials and some of the variations they've done on the drum).

-Are the newly produced BBs still made of brass?

-Do you prefer die cast or triple flanged hoops, and why?

-What is your preferred strainer for the BB and why?

-Tube lugs vs. Imperial, any difference performance-wise or purely cosmetic?

If you have any other comments about the drum, it's all MUCH appreciated. Looking to be purchasing one in the near future and I just want to make sure I'm getting the right drum for me.

Thank you kindly! Stage Band2

Posted on 13 years ago
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Unfortunately supro, I don't know anything more than the fact i've wanted one since I was 6 years old! I can't say i've even heard one. The just seem to have some mystique about them. The holy grail if you like.

Drums are loud....So play them LOUD!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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Drowse is right... I've been playing and buying/selling/trading drums for 50 years and I've never run into a Black Beauty much less played one. That has to be the reason for the lack of responses; the guys that own em haven't seen the thread, while the rest of us have only seen Black Beauty's in photographs.

If my buddy Mark (Vintagemore2000) sees the thread, he'll respond. He's very knowledgeable when it comes to things Ludwig. Good luck in your info hunt. Sorry I couldn't be of assistance. I can only lust in my heart for vintage Blk. Beauty's. CryBaby

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 13 years ago
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I have only played one BB. It is the one I bought this year.

My BB is a mid 90s 5x14 Supersensitive with Imperial lugs, standard throw, triple flange rims. And yes, it is brass.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 13 years ago
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Pork Pie's Big Black Brass snare is kind of a poor rabbit's (okay- man's for the rest of you lot) Black Beauty. Sure, the shell is made in Taiwan. It has standard hoops and a somewhat wonky strainer (as I know that I will end up replacing it sooner than later whilst gigging it).

I have played a real BB. She sings. I played it, then the dude put it back in a secret hiding place. And while he's getting out of the drum collecting business- he still won't sell it to me!!!!

This is as close as my cheap self will be able to afford. And she possesses many of the same attributes. A deep, black-chromed (or is it black nickel plating?) brass shell is going to sound reasonably like another one. Sure- it won't be a BB even on the second Tuesday of the week, but she's a LOT easier to buy (I paid around $200 for mine). I may get it engraved, though I surmise it would cost me more to engrave the shell than it cost to purchase the drum!!! She's one of my go to drum for larger venues.

Disclaimer: Please note that I said "kind of" in my descriptions. So don't get excited to flame me here!!!

Yeah- I'm THAT guy!!!

Dead dogs like rusty fire hydrants!!!
Posted on 13 years ago
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I've heard that tube lugs resonate better than the imperial lugs. Could this be true?

Posted on 13 years ago
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A collector told me once that Slingerland first introduced the BB years before Ludwig did, and a Sling BB is about as rare as finding gold nuggests in your toilet. maybe someone can shed more light one this.........

I just checked ebay, they don't seem that expensive, $300-$600 on average, similar to a RK in price.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ludwig-Black-Beauty-snare-drum-5x14-Super-Phonic-/110788528643?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cb82ca03

Lots of Slingerland drums
70's Pearl Fiberglass Ivory
Posted on 13 years ago
#7
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The Black Beauty carries quite a mystique. I own a Monroe badge BB and it does sing because of the brass shell making the drum sound really "bright"! Imperial lugs, triple flange hoops, P85 strainer. Vintagemore is right on with triple flanged hoops. They open up the drum and just look sexy.

This drum is the modern BB as compared to the 20's classic, vintage Black Beauty of Ludwig fame. You can find a Monroe BB for $500-600. I snagged mine from a dealer who was closing up shop for $400! You can get one engraved by John Aldridge for $800 + cost of the snare...

Needless to say, I covet one of the older versions, but the modern version which appeared first in the '70's then again in the 90's and is currently manufactured in Monroe, is a very beautiful snare with the same sound qualities as the old.

Purdie Shuffle your pre-serial Supra is, in essence a Black Beauty with a chrome plate! What your playing there sounds exactly the same as my Monroe badge BB.

Cheers!

-kellyj

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Posted on 13 years ago
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alright, i'm not so good with words but here's my story.

i, like most if not all here, have always coveted the old ones too. then a friend showed up on a gig awhile ago with his and told me i should take it for awhile. how could i argue that? well, you know how that movie ends.

so . . . i sold ALOT of gear and got a replated one (it's in the gallery here) for significantly less than an original one would cost. still expensive as hell, i've bought cars for less, but i saw a video of it being played and had to have that sound. i'm no hell on the instrument but i make a living at it so i felt sort of justified in investing in it as a business expense. sort of. but no regrets!

here's what i've learned: the tone does not change from whisper soft to cranking on it. most drums the sound will change with the dynamic range. but this is more consistent. they're also louder, or should i say more open sounding. and of course they are incredibly responsive. all this being said, the 80/20 rule applies. nobody in the audience is going to notice a difference, so it's a matter of what you're willing to spend for that extra something. i never really understood it until i tried a friend's $18K mandolin next to my respectable one i had at the time thinking there can't be that much of a difference! i was wrong. aside from the sound it was how the instrument responds. that thing basically played itself.

now after all that i was just on a tour where i was mainly playing brushes and the soundman (who's a fine drummer) was crazy about it. during a break in the tour i did a record with someone else who prefers deep dish snare sounds and the bb only made it onto the album in a couple of legit snare parts. it was really funny. so goes to show it's not a necessary part of the arsenal but in the right situation it's perfect.

there's a stripped one with a soundfile on the steve maxwell site right now. mine sounds like that. i find that site to be an excellent (albeit dangerous!) resource for studying different sounds.

alright, there's my 2 cents for what it's worth. probably less with the exchange rate.

adam

Posted on 13 years ago
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im waiting in anticipation for my 1920's leedy 4x14 black eite engrave model there as rare as hens teeth

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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