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A good instructor and a good forum...Priceless!

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1978 or so, I'd been playing guitar for a little over 10 yrs. Learned mostly old style fingerpicked blues(stepdad was a big Chet Atkins fan). I wound up moving to western PA where I walked into a music shop and befriended a guy named John Grunder who taught me more in 10 lessons than I picked up in the previous 10 yrs. He's a great player and teacher and I always credit him when I'm complimented on my playing. Last I heard (30? yrs?) he was at Fender developing what would become their "Custom Shop"

Fast fwd to summer 2012. After many years of "hearing" drum parts but not playing them I started lurking on a couple drum forums and pretty much settled here soaking up everything that you guys share so freely. I wasn't sure what kind of kit I wanted but I soon noticed that a lot of members had a bunch of differen't snare drums, so what the hell? I see a Rogers COB Powertone classified from a guy an hour away named Purdie Shuffle. We exchange emails and a phone call or two and I go meet this guy, buy the drum, we hit it off OK and he sits me down for 2 hours and starts showing me things I need to learn. I'm kinda' shocked and before I leave he gives me a practice pad, some sticks and writes down everything we just went over and tells me to call him when I get through that material.

So yesterday I'm free and having been to Purdies place another 3 or 4 times, I check to see if he's available. He is and I head east for the hour drive. I arrive and after trading pleasantries he tells me to set up the practice pad. Normally He has me go over my last lesson material but this time, no. He starts running me thru everything I learned from day one. Singles, doubles, triples, paradiddles and changing where he wants the accents. I'm nervous but do ok and realize I'm not spending enough time on the "easier" things.

After an hour of this we stop, I'm relieved and we go downstairs where a kit is set up. John sits down and starts playing nice and smooth and easy and explains and shows me at the same time how all these different things are relevant and relate to each other and depending how and where you apply them, that any number of musical styles are possible.

At this point in time I don't call myself a drummer but what he showed and explained to me finally sunk in. I watched and listened for 15-20 minutes while he used the same tools to go from playing some rock n' roll moving to a jazz groove to a waltz, some blues and some funky as hell New Orleans type thing that was nuts! It was just amazing to me to finally see how all of these things can be woven together to create different styles of music!

Anyway, I didn't mean to go on for so long but did want to say many thanks to all the members who are so generous with their knowledge and to Purdie Shuffle who luckily for me is as good an instructor as he is a player. I've been around long enough to know that with so many different personalities involved, no forum is going to be all group hugs and puppies but as far as musical instrument forums go, the VDF is easily one of the best and I'm glad to be a part of it.

Believe it or else!
Posted on 12 years ago
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You're a good guy, Mick. It is -my- pleasure. You're welcome at the Sugar-Shack any time my friend.

And Yes Sir, if you're a drummer who loves vintage drums and some seriously good and informative conversations between peers/drummers, VDF is the best forum on the web. Hands down.

John

PS - Me and Bev talked after you left and we both agree that you have -improved markedly- since the last time I saw you. I can hear it... BTW, I -LOVE- Second Line drumming and rhythms. As soon as you're ready, I'm dying to share some of that stuff with you. Nothing funkier in the world than a good Second Line, Chapatoula Indian groove. Whenever you're ready amigo.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGyrWBK1xos[/ame]

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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Glad to hear this happens! Next time Im in PA Im dropping by for a lesson John.

Posted on 12 years ago
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I'm sure you can teach me a thing or three yourself and... you're welcome in my home anytime, Eric. If you ever do get to PA, I'll be pi$$ed if you -don't- stop by!

Lotsa very cool drum kits to mess around on over here. Ask, Mick. Vintage drum Heaven... Camco, Ludwig, Gretsch, Slingerland, your call. Let me know which ones you want to play and I'll have em all set-up for you when you arrive.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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doesn't get much better than this kinda drum brotherhood. well done guys..

mike

Posted on 12 years ago
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Love the 2nd line stuff!! The high school music teacher I work with just brought back a 2nd line method book from NO and it's bee a lot of fun working this with the kids! Great for teaching independence, basic syncopation and discussing degrees of swing/shuffle with the kids. Would love to see some vids of you playing, Purdie!

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
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Posted on 12 years ago
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thank you for sharing your story Mick. this is a great forum and purdie...well he's ok too. lol. we really need a "like" or thumbs up button here. i'd click on both of them for this thread.

wish i could get some lessons.....D' Drummer

Stay Wiggly,
Robyn
Posted on 12 years ago
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> Would love to see some vids of you playing, Purdie!

LOL - That is turning out to be the bane of my existence! I have one guy here at VDF that doubts I can play at all because I don't have any You Tube video proving that I can. DOH

I have a video-cam, I just have to buy a charger for the battery. (Not real high on my priority list.) If/when I can, I'll shoot some video and post it up for my friends, but I'd much rather have people like Mick -who have actually heard me play- to speak for themselves. I won't toot it myself, but I have no problem with somebody else tooting the horn for me! I can play my a$$ off. I just don't feel a compelling need to 'prove it'. I'm from an 'analog' pre-Internet generation. I'm 64, just never thought to video myself and then post it somewhere. It just wouldn't occur to me.

You Tube! The be all and end all of modern existence. If you're not on You Tube, you don't exist! Hilarious. I'm like Joe Walsh... an analog man living in a digital world!

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From funkypoodle

Love the 2nd line stuff!! The high school music teacher I work with just brought back a 2nd line method book from NO and it's bee a lot of fun working this with the kids! Great for teaching independence, basic syncopation and discussing degrees of swing/shuffle with the kids.

About fifteen years ago a drummer friend of mine turned me on to Johnny Vidocovich. Johnny is a Premier New Orleans style drummer. He taught and had a tremendous influence on guys like, Stanton Moore, who is one of the current crop of a$$-kicking Nee-Awlins style drummers. I love second line because it is ALIVE. A couple of my drummer buddies when I was growing up played for the Minisink Warriors. The Warriors were an award winning drum corp. unit whose rhythms and routines were based on Second Line patterns. They were the guys who taught me how to play 'around' the beat, how to make something swing real hard, everything they taught me was syncopated... never learned a straight line rhythm from either of those guys. It became a part of how I play, express myself and I'm happy for it. Everybody should spend at least a little time studying and learning a few Second Line licks and beats. When you get them down, one guy can sound like there is a whole drum corp. marching down the street. Great stuff. I hope the kids at school absorb some of that style. It just KILLS.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAJtmDQBvF8[/ame]

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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Johnny Vidocovich, that's the author of the book! Very cool! I couldn't remember off hand and didn't have the book on hand. Well thought-out method. Now I'll dig and see what more I can find out about Johnny Vidocovich. I love Zigaboo, Smokey Johnson, Russell Batiste and Stanton Moore! I listen to Rebirth, Soul Rebels, Hot 8 Brass band and play in a New Orleans style brass band here in town, Semel rebel (a french world play on Soul Rebels, good friends of our fearless leader and composer). 2nd line grooves are just so inspirational! Thanks for the Info! And yeah (most of)the kids seam to be absorbing it. They (almost) forget to talk to me about Travis Barker when they are really focused LOL!

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 12 years ago
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