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i guess i've missed something here: why do 70's and even early 80's black beauty snares command such high prices? They're not two-piece shells like the original, so what's the big deal? how is a 70's black beauty any different than my circa-2000 black beauty?

Posted on 14 years ago
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I don't know,but I once bought a NOS 5-1/2 by 14 engraved with original stand for $250 around 1987...........

it was sitting on the floor of a local music store for a long time,and they wanted it gone!

Sold it.......whats it worth now? $$$$$

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 14 years ago
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It's because they used old-growth brass back in the day and this new stuff just can't cut the mustard, comparitively speaking. Oh yea, I almost forgot all the old drums were assembled by true craftsmenzes and everybody knows that just don't exist any more!

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Publius

i guess i've missed something here: why do 70's and even early 80's black beauty snares command such high prices? They're not two-piece shells like the original, so what's the big deal? how is a 70's black beauty any different than my circa-2000 black beauty?

1. almost a 40 yr. hiatus from the 1935-36 engraved Anniversary BBs to the 1970s BBs

2. engraving

3. Ludwig didn't make a ton of the engraved models

4. Standard Models command a higher price than the Super-Sensitive Models

Mike Curotto

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Mike Curotto

1. almost a 40 yr. hiatus from the 1935-36 engraved Anniversary BBs to the 1970s BBs2. engraving3. Ludwig didn't make a ton of the engraved models4. Standard Models command a higher price than the Super-Sensitive ModelsMike Curotto

but i see non-engraved BB's going to $1000 range. i just don't understand it.

the same is certainly not true of 70's supras.

Posted on 14 years ago
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For some reason, 70's Black Beauties have become extremely popular in Japan in the last year. They sell for several thousand dollars over there, engraved or not. A regular, non-engraved 6.5 BB recently went for over 2K on ebay, and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if most of the higher bidders were in Japan.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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OK...what year did they start reissuing them?

As I said earlier,I bought a NOS engraved Luddy 400 in around 1987.....it had been in the store for a long time,but how long?

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 14 years ago
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I believe they started in '77 or '78. The first ones have no "B" stamp and a little white sticker inside that says "Seamless brass shell". Not sure when the B stamp started.

http://www.classicvintagedrums.com
Posted on 14 years ago
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Wow! That means a BB was in a store for almost 10 years without being sold!

Amazing.......

I grabbed it for $250 with it's Atlas snare stand (hollow tube version).Also,NOS.

I'm not sure if they had it on the floor for all those years,or was in a cabinet,hidden.

I can't even remember what I sold it for.....knowing my markup though,prolly $350-400.

Someone has a $2000 snare now.

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 14 years ago
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I have a question: What's the difference in sound between a 1978 6.5x14 Black Beauty and a 1978 6.5x14 Supraphonic? I'm talking not engraved or anything that would inherently make it more of a showpiece. I'm just talking black vs. chrome. Is there a $500-1000 difference in sound? Enlighten me.

Posted on 14 years ago
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