Upload inside pictures that show mounting hardware and tag. Should have a speckled interior, flat washers with hex screws that are slotted and a serial number approaching 90xxx or higher. Fullterton started the numbering over but retained the Holiday model name. My '69 Fullerton red onyx Holiday kit has serial numbers 10434, 10480, 10347. My '68 jet black Dayton kit has serial numbers 104519, 104987, 104208 if that helps any. One oddity I noticed on several occasions is that somewhere near the 100xxx serial number, they were using black fender washers on the floor tom leg mounts and sometimes elsewhere as well. But not all the washers were black. Just the intermediate size. I think you also will see the star washers coming into play with the Powertone lables because the shop in Fullerton was trying to speed up assembly to meet demand and reduce cost, while possibly also trying to improve hardware fixity.

PS - My early Fullerton has borderless Holiday tags, and the Dayton tags have a border.

Here's the tag with border from another '68 kit I have. Unfortunately, I can't locate a picture of a borderless tag, but just visualize this one without the border.

My kit isnt with me, I posted pix of awhile back but never the insides or the tags. The kick and snare are dayton /the toms and floor are fullerton // the speckled interior .

Here's a picture of a borderless tag that I got from a WMP tom shell for sale right now on eBay. Notice that the numbering had been started over again after finishing up somewhere in the range of 107xxx in Dayton speckled era. I think (and maybe someone else actually knows) that they hired someone in Fullerton to continue making the paper tags, but didn't get the instruction to include the border into place or the firm forget to include it and Rogers just used them anyway. But with Powertone tags, you are back to having a border. I believe this occurred in 1969. My drums that have this tag still have all the machined swivomatic parts for tom leg mounts, spurs and the tom mount itself both on the bass and the 9x13. Eventually you begin to see the cast mounts and collets.

So 1969 started out with holidays and ended with powertones correct? And with the dayton-fullerton change being done so quickly there probably several dayton toms and kick drums made in 68 that were sent to fullerton and given that tag right?

Probably not. Some, maybe. But, "a lot?" Probably not. It really doesn't matter if a tag says Fullerton Holiday or Dayton Holiday or even Fullerton Powertone, if they match, they match. If they were born together from the factory, fine. If they were adopted together at the store... fine. That just means they have been together 40 years and are happy. Don't make them unhappy by questioning who their father was.

kookadams - upload pictures of your tags! Really, it will help with the ID.

(which guy is it that says, "Hit it, it's a drum?") :)

I will, asap , theyre in storage right now, I got my backup kit set up with the chinese tomtom.