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1967 Ludwig Symphonic Snare WMP

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Hey guys,

Am looking at a snare to complete my 60s Ludwig WMP kit. This is a 6.5" x 15" 1967 Ludwig Symphonic Snare 3-ply. Sn#: 454294 which dates the drum to 1967. It's an 8 hole Chrome on Steel with White Marine Pearl wrap. It no longer has original strainer or snares.

A previous owner replaced it with a P-83 strainer. The job was professionally done, as the original holes were filled and capped with matching WMP.

I'm wondering:

a) whether it would sound any good as a kit snare or whether it would best be used as a symphonic snare as its name suggests.

and b) what value this snare might have and whether it is a collectors snare or anything regarding the price that I should know.

Cheers heaps,

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3463.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3453.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3455.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3451.jpg[/IMG]

Posted on 14 years ago
#1
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I can't help you with your questions, sorry, but I have to say...

That first shot is freakin awesome... Except for that date, unfortunately, but man... Sweet picture! Walking

Sweet snare too, of course :D

BTW, I am no expert, but I think for collectors, the replaced strainer would be an issue. So you might not get the "full collectors price" for it (if such a thing even exists).

Posted on 14 years ago
#2
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SUPER NICE SNARE! Thanks for showing it.

Posted on 14 years ago
#3
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hi and nice pics what size are shooting pics at ty

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 14 years ago
#4
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I can tell you this. Since the original strainer and butt where a different type, likely a drop down or parallel, and it now has a P-83, it will be a bear to tune as it appears, from what limited view I have, that there are no snare beds, and that will affect, in a big way, the drums' ability to tune up properly. Without snare beds, the wires will not seat properly against the bottom head. This is likely why the seller is getting rid of the drum, he doesn't know the beds are causing him to not get the sound he really wants.

As for any collectible value, none is left since it has been modified from original. I would make a low-ball offer on it, you likely will get it, after you explain the loss of value due to it's originality being compromised. Do not mention the snare beds, just look carefully if you can and make a mental not of whether or not they were cut in.

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Posted on 14 years ago
#5
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I don't know about "snare beds", although attached are some images of the snares.

The strainer works smoothly and easily.

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3464.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3461.jpg[/IMG]

Also the strainer modifications are shown here.

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3447.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i815.photobucket.com/albums/zz73/pootnroot/Ludwig/snares/6_5x15%20WMP%20Symphonic%20Snare/DSCN3449.jpg[/IMG]

Cheers for the info and replies guys.

Posted on 14 years ago
#6
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Well this is a strange thing...the pattern, to me, doesn't look like any Ludwig strainers I have ever seen. I do mostly MIJ these days and that looks oddly like an MIJ strainer, like a 60s Pearl. But that is just me, maybe one of the others will chime in about this one.

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"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
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Posted on 14 years ago
#7
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I'm a bit puzzled because this lug pattern and a 6.5x15 shell is usually called a "School Festival" and came with a P-83 strainer to begin with.

The "Symphonic" was 6.5x14 (not 15) in the catalogs I'm looking at for 1964 and 1967. And yes the "Symphonic" came with a P87 classic strainer (as did the 5.5x14 Super Classic snare). But not in 15" diameter. Odd.

So maybe that is a "School Festival" which has had a proper P-83 restored after somebody else changed the original strainer over to who knows what.

Or maybe it is a 14" diameter "Symphonic" and the seller has measured including the distance to the outer edges of the rims. I could make that 15" on my 14" Jazz Festival if I do that.

The inside shots of the shell all look like a legit Ludwig shell from that period.

Disclaimer: I only know this from book learning, and I've never had hands on a P87 strainer to know what the hole pattern is for those.

Noting wrong with a 15" snare on a drum kit, but if you really want to complete a 1960s kit you might want to wait for a 14" snare to appear (either wood or a metal supraphonic which might be the correct one for your kit). Since this one has some odd history and holes (which appear nicely filled but nonetheless affect the collectability) it probably won't fetch the sort of price a pristine one would. If it were me I wouldn't pay over $200 for it. But that's just me. I'm kind of a tight wad when it comes to prices. I've got enough drums now so I'm content to wait.

Posted on 14 years ago
#8
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It might also have been a 14'' Ray McKinnley with a P-85. I have one

also, same depth 6.5" and mine has the Classic throw and those

plugged holes look like a Classic config off the top of my head but would

have to grab my McKinnley to check or another Jazz Festival snare

I have...

I think I'm addicted to drums. Walking

Found it!!
Posted on 14 years ago
#9
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Oops, P-85 only has 2 holes. Ok scratch that idea then...

Found it!!
Posted on 14 years ago
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