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1961 Ludwig Cocktail - Lounge drum

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Here's my latest acquisition . . . a 1961 Ludwig Cocktail Lounge drum (I couldn't find it on VDG but it's listed in the Rob Cook's Ludwig book).

In his book it also shows the unique strainer too. All the hardware is nickel.

It's 24" x 16".

It's red stamped "JAN 16 1961" inside and also has "16-R" written in white chalk(?).

The blue sparkle wrap has an extra seam running around the drum about 4 inches up from the bottom.

To start I will be using it as a 2nd floor tom for my 71 Super Classics. I am thinking about adding lugs and a bottom head & hoop so it could be used like a traditional cocktail drum on it's own as well.

I'm not sure how to replace or improve on the strainer - it doesn't sound like a snare drum when the snares are "on".

1960s Ralston (Star) set in Red Agate Pearl 12/12/16/20
1961 Ludwig Cocktail Lounge drum 24 x 16 in blue sparkle
1966 Ludwig Hollywoods in Sky Blue Pearl 12/13/16/22
1971 Ludwig Super Classics in Blue Sparkle 13/16/22
1976 Ludwig Vistalites in Blue 13/14/16/22
70s/80s Ludwig orphans in Black Cortex "Bonham" style 14/16/18/20/26 (B/O Badges)

Many snares
Posted on 12 years ago
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Man that is a rare monkey Please don't tamper with it's originality, this will not make a good floor tom due to the length of the shell.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 12 years ago
#2
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Love cocktail kits! I was eye ballin the one you bought the bay but I have 2 already. You got a pretty smoking deal! Looks great. Fun to play. I actually take this old Gretsch one out to an open mic I host every week. Percussionist flip out every time!

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1954 Gretsch Name Band Outfit White Marine Pearl
1964 Ludwig Downbeat Kit Champagne Sparkle
1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
1965 Ludwig Club Date Kit BDP
1971 Slingerland 13,16,22 in Black Sparkle
1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
Numerous Snare Drums
Posted on 12 years ago
#3
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Cool drum. I have a 1968 cocktail drum that has a stenciled date stamp inside as well as a stenciled number that matches the badge serial number. Mine is BDP and it is one piece of wrap and there is a baffle near the top to seperate the snare part from the lower bass drum part. I love mine.

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Posted on 12 years ago
#4
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Anyone know where to get replacement snares for it?

1960s Ralston (Star) set in Red Agate Pearl 12/12/16/20
1961 Ludwig Cocktail Lounge drum 24 x 16 in blue sparkle
1966 Ludwig Hollywoods in Sky Blue Pearl 12/13/16/22
1971 Ludwig Super Classics in Blue Sparkle 13/16/22
1976 Ludwig Vistalites in Blue 13/14/16/22
70s/80s Ludwig orphans in Black Cortex "Bonham" style 14/16/18/20/26 (B/O Badges)

Many snares
Posted on 12 years ago
#5
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nice score! i want one....bad!

mike

Posted on 12 years ago
#6
Posts: 2148 Threads: 177

From DionneDrummer

Here's my latest acquisition . . . a 1961 Ludwig Cocktail Lounge drum (I couldn't find it on VDG but it's listed in the Rob Cook's Ludwig book). In his book it also shows the unique strainer too. All the hardware is nickel.It's 24" x 16". It's red stamped "JAN 16 1961" inside and also has "16-R" written in white chalk(?).The blue sparkle wrap has an extra seam running around the drum about 4 inches up from the bottom.To start I will be using it as a 2nd floor tom for my 71 Super Classics. I am thinking about adding lugs and a bottom head & hoop so it could be used like a traditional cocktail drum on it's own as well.I'm not sure how to replace or improve on the strainer - it doesn't sound like a snare drum when the snares are "on".

Hello, Thxs for posting...

Have a Ludwig keystone (pre serial) myself ...

I looked inside..can't find the date....but same 16-R in chalk..?

Where is the date stamped in relation to the 16 R inside yr drum.?

Thxs in advance..

Rims.

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
#7
Posts: 524 Threads: 75

Rims - the date stamp is next to the inside seam which is opposite the chalk.

1960s Ralston (Star) set in Red Agate Pearl 12/12/16/20
1961 Ludwig Cocktail Lounge drum 24 x 16 in blue sparkle
1966 Ludwig Hollywoods in Sky Blue Pearl 12/13/16/22
1971 Ludwig Super Classics in Blue Sparkle 13/16/22
1976 Ludwig Vistalites in Blue 13/14/16/22
70s/80s Ludwig orphans in Black Cortex "Bonham" style 14/16/18/20/26 (B/O Badges)

Many snares
Posted on 10 years ago
#8
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Thxs...I'm checking it out again tomorrow..

Bop iT / Til U Drop iT.

ROGER's
1964 Cleveland,.18/14/12 in WMP
1966 Cleveland, 20/14/12 O'natural.
Fullerton,...20/16/13/12 Silver Glass

WFL
1957 B/R Super Classics In WMP

Snares..
Wood & COB Powertones,
Wood & COB Dynasonics,
57 Jazz Festival

Zildjian avedis cymbals.
40s/60s era.
Posted on 10 years ago
#9
Posts: 2753 Threads: 132

The snares are just approximately one half of a regular strand of snares that are affixed to the mechanism used for an internal tone control. The cocktail drums with this type of snare design that I've owned, and others that I have played, sound terrible as snare drums. I used a piccolo snare drum suspended from a cymbal stand with the cocktail drum as both bass and tom. I would remove the half strand of snares, and replace it with an internal tone control.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 10 years ago
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