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1950's Supra?

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Does someone need to talk to this guy or am I missing something?

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Ludwig old school
Posted on 10 years ago
#1
Posts: 108 Threads: 15

It is a 1958 WFL Supra on ebay.

For some reason trouble posting the ebay url

Ludwig old school
Posted on 10 years ago
#2
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eBay links are removed automatically when you post. You can post the item number, or post the actual link but with some other character at the front so the auto editing doesn't think it is an eBay link.

eg:

item number: 291380588786

link (copy/paste all but the leading P into your browser)

Phttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-WFL-LUDWIG-COB-SUPRAPHONIC-SUPER-COND-SINSITIVE-MINT-FACTORY-SNARES-/291380588786

That's a transition badge Ludwig with a WFL butt and throw-off. Not uncommon because they used the parts they had on hand. I've seen enough 1960 transition badge Ludwigs to know they weren't all 1950s. And the Supraphonic didn't have that name until later. I believe in the 50s it was called a Super, but I haven't looked up exactly when it was renamed Supra. Looks to be a brass shell with the expected crimped snare beds. And priced high. But then I see it is walter and he almost always tries to push the price envelope (as we say). He might get that price, or negotiate a sale at a lesser price.

He doesn't seem to know how little of that drum will be steel. Not shell, not rims, not butt and not throw-off. That leaves the tensioning rod and the non plastic parts of the snares.

Posted on 10 years ago
#3
Posts: 108 Threads: 15

I assumed since they just issued a 50 year anniversary Supra that this was an "altered" model. So Ludwig just changed the name in 1964?

Ludwig old school
Posted on 10 years ago
#4
Posts: 133 Threads: 20

GOOGLE - KIRK HIGGINS LUDWIG SUPER

You will find an in-depth article on the basic history of late 50's/early 60's Supers and the introduction of the Supraphonic. The prices/values may be off a bit, but it gives a good overview, timeline and info on ID'ing the drums.


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Posted on 10 years ago
#5
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The earlier models were called Super 400's when they were brass. They changed the name to Supraphonic around the time they went to ludalloy shells.

Mike

Posted on 10 years ago
#6
Posts: 108 Threads: 15

Thanks folks!

Ludwig old school
Posted on 10 years ago
#7
Posts: 133 Threads: 20

And to make things more confusing...

In the 1920's and 30's the term Super = parallel strainer.

Super Sensitive = parallel strainer plus the 2nd sensitive strainer under the top head.

Fast forward to the late 50's. The new Ludwig metal drum with the p83 is called a Super Ludwig. The re-introduction of the parallel strainer in 1961 is now called the Super Sensitive... followed by change to spun aluminum shells = Supraphonic.

It's no wonder the terms get thrown around arbitrarily.

Like car companies... drum companies love to reuse old names, but somehow when re-used they never quite mean the same thing.


NASHDRUM:

~ Vintage Ludwig Drums ~
~ 1920's Percussion Sound Effects ~
~ Vintage Mallet Instruments ~
Posted on 10 years ago
#8
Posts: 108 Threads: 15

I thought I knew quite a bit about Ludwig. It is good to stop in here and learn more!

Ludwig old school
Posted on 10 years ago
#9
Posts: 977 Threads: 124

He'll get what he's asking. Everyone's fave leecountymusic (item - 361125864706) sold one in worse shape w/out the Trans badge for 1k. I have one on the pony headed my way. Kind of excited,

Chris

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eBay links are removed automatically when you post. You can post the item number, or post the actual link but with some other character at the front so the auto editing doesn't think it is an eBay link. eg:item number: 291380588786link (copy/paste all but the leading P into your browser)Phttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-WFL-LUDWIG-COB-SUPRAPHONIC-SUPER-COND-SINSITIVE-MINT-FACTORY-SNARES-/291380588786That's a transition badge Ludwig with a WFL butt and throw-off. Not uncommon because they used the parts they had on hand. I've seen enough 1960 transition badge Ludwigs to know they weren't all 1950s. And the Supraphonic didn't have that name until later. I believe in the 50s it was called a Super, but I haven't looked up exactly when it was renamed Supra. Looks to be a brass shell with the expected crimped snare beds. And priced high. But then I see it is walter and he almost always tries to push the price envelope (as we say). He might get that price, or negotiate a sale at a lesser price. He doesn't seem to know how little of that drum will be steel. Not shell, not rims, not butt and not throw-off. That leaves the tensioning rod and the non plastic parts of the snares.

Posted on 10 years ago
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