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Old 06-11-2021, 04:50 AM
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Default Ludwig Black Panther

Hi there - here's a pic of a set that I just purchased from a friend of mine (along with a 1963 Premier outfit 54 kit with original cases - will post some pics of this one later). I hope to receive it soon and I will then post some more detailed pics. All keystone badges with 1969 serial numbers. The rail was removed and the L arm was retrofitted to the Bass drum. All else appears original. Only condition issue is a small tear in the wrap on the bass drum. I am super excited about this kit.

I will report more once I receive it.

Have an awesome day.

Cheers
Erik
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Old 06-11-2021, 02:49 PM
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Hi Erik!

Very nice! I'm sure the big question, and one that many others might ask, is what are the possibilities that there Citrus Mod underneath the Black Panther wrap!

-Mark
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Old 06-12-2021, 01:10 AM
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Hi Erik!

Very nice! I'm sure the big question, and one that many others might ask, is what are the possibilities that there Citrus Mod underneath the Black Panther wrap!

-Mark
Thanks Mark👍Maybe Iím missing something but why could there be Citrus Mod under the wrap?
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Old 06-12-2021, 10:00 AM
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I believe it would be on later kits due to this is a Keystone Badge and The Citrus Mod just came out in 69. After early 70's when the Psychedelic wraps weren't selling well is when they started covering them with the Panther wraps.

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Old 06-12-2021, 11:23 AM
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I believe it would be on later kits due to this is a Keystone Badge and The Citrus Mod just came out in 69. After early 70's when the Psychedelic wraps weren't selling well is when they started covering them with the Panther wraps.

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Hi Wayne!

Thanks for reminding me about this. I completely forgot that a Keystone Badge Black Panther kit would most likely NOT have Citrus Mod underneath!

-Mark
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Old 06-12-2021, 06:09 PM
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I seem to recall reading a thread somewhere, where someone bought a keystone badge black panther kit that had Citrus Mod under the black wrap. It never hurts to check.
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Old 06-12-2021, 08:38 PM
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It's doubtful, but it should be easy to see some kind of telltale evidence after that many years IF it has been wrapped over. Look at the scarf joint....Look at the edges of any screw holes....Look for any fraying around the bearing edges....etc.


Talk about how miserly Ludwig was -that they would think to just wrap another wrap over an already-wrapped drum! LOL! Sheesh!
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Old 06-12-2021, 08:50 PM
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Thanks Mark👍Maybe Iím missing something but why could there be Citrus Mod under the wrap?
When Citrus Mod wrap was introduced back in the day...very few people liked it. With the psychedelia of the times, Ludwig gambled that many drummers would like its but when Ludwig realized it was a flop, they decided that the easiest fix would be to stretch the thin Black Panther material over the already-wrapped Citrus Mod shells....But no one like the bLack Panther wrap, either. Inevitably, both were discontinued...

...And so here we are decades later, looking for that elusive Citrus Mod wrap - as well as seeing a new-found popularity (with some folks) for the Black Panther wrap.
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Old 06-12-2021, 09:31 PM
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Here's a picture of a Ludwig 1971 floor tom, showing the Citrus Mod underneath the Black Panther.

-Mark
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Old 06-12-2021, 11:17 PM
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Wow that’s incredible. I really hope I don’t find tha wrap under the black panther wrap - how the heck do you decide which one to keep especially if the BP wrap is in perfectly good shape�� Thanks for the input guys����
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