Vintage Drum Forum the best vintage drum forum on the Internet - Vintage Drum History - Vintage Drum Questions

Go Back   Vintage Drum Forum > Vintage Cymbals

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-10-2020, 04:01 PM
DRUMR69 DRUMR69 is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 724
Default Ajaha cymbal

Can anyone tell me about this cymbal?
Pretty heavy 14.
Year?
Thanks

Wayne
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	EC79C41A-F586-4385-8074-568A53A55CCC.jpg
Views:	167
Size:	50.6 KB
ID:	130121   Click image for larger version

Name:	C340C7DD-3B48-4C9C-B096-9A3A7E18612B.jpg
Views:	175
Size:	52.2 KB
ID:	130122   Click image for larger version

Name:	528B9DD4-EE1D-46D9-9273-107962AFF436.jpg
Views:	177
Size:	50.6 KB
ID:	130123   Click image for larger version

Name:	07FBAA38-8B64-42AB-8FA7-23C2352D0ECC.jpg
Views:	158
Size:	21.9 KB
ID:	130124  

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-10-2020, 04:16 PM
JimmySticks JimmySticks is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Queens NY
Posts: 605
Default Re: Ajaha cymbal

Ajaha cymbals were made by Tosco in Italy during the 1970s for Gretsch. Slingerland and Ludwig had their stencil cymbals as well. I have a set of Kashians, which were the Slingerland stencils, also made in Italy, and I love them. Seriously nice sound. They all had Turkish sounding names, but they were all Italian. For sure they were trying to cash in on the Zildjian name and reputation.

Your cymbals should be made with B20 bronze, which is the best, and being it's hand signed by the bell, it would be an early example, like early 70s. Cool hammering.

Last edited by JimmySticks; 03-10-2020 at 04:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-10-2020, 08:44 PM
zenstat zenstat is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Auckland, New Zealand
Posts: 1,718
Default Re: Ajaha cymbal

That is an X E Ajaha cymbal. Made in Italy. That trademark belongs to Gretsch who registered the trademark some time prior to 1912 (Rob Cook, The Gretsch Drum Book, 2013:248) That is an early one, not 1970s. Could be anywhere in the 1920s to the 1940s or maybe later. The general pattern with these Italian cymbals is that they look like their Turkish cousins from the same production era. This one doesn't look 1970s in the least.

During some years Gretsch had their Ajaha cymbals manufactured by some members of the UFIP collective. Accordingly Ajaha appears on the UFIP list of stencil brands.



However, there is some evidence that in other years Gretsch had contracted their manufacture to other Italian manufacturers. Not every Italian cymbal is UFIP, and Tosco was always an independent manufacturer who were not part of the UFIP collective (later a limited liability company). The two main works on Italian cymbals are Luca Luciano Italian Vintage Drums and Cymbals 2012, and Hugo Pinksterboer, The Cymbal Book , 1992.

Pinksterboer mentions Ajaha on p172 under Tosco, but that would refer to later cymbals as Tosco only operated from 1974 - 1986 or so. Luciano also mentions Gretsch having their Ajaha cymbals made by Tosco (p124). Neither he nor Pinksterboer really go into the other Italian manufactures of Ajaha over the decades.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	ajaha-stencil-brand.jpg
Views:	197
Size:	44.6 KB
ID:	130127  
__________________
Left July 2020 but you can see my work here: Cymbal Wiki || A site about cymbals
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-10-2020, 09:17 PM
JimmySticks JimmySticks is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: Queens NY
Posts: 605
Default Re: Ajaha cymbal

Thanks for correcting my dating.

They were made until the end of the 70s, not just in the 70s.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-10-2020, 10:44 PM
DRUMR69 DRUMR69 is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 724
Default Re: Ajaha cymbal

Thanks for the info Zenstat. Your knowledge on these things amaze me.
I do believe this is from the 30’s / 40’s because it came with a trap kit I recently bought.
I have 5 others I am trying to identify.
I know 2 are Zildjian and another has the round “made in Italy” stamp on inside bell.
The other 2 are unknown. I will start a new thread for those. Thanks again for your wealth of knowledge, appreciated.
Thanks also Jimmysticks for getting it going.

Wayne
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:23 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 2022 VSDwebdesign