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Old 07-28-2021, 09:12 AM
janlaban janlaban is offline
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Default Ludwig Supraphonic LM400 Question

Hi drummers,
I have a question about the drum attached in the pictures. It's a Ludwig LM400 Supraphonic which I believe is from 1966, I bought it for about a week ago on marketsplace for about 100$.

My question is about the snare side of the drum and where the snare wires go thru the rim. As you can see on the pictures it looks like the bearing edges are hammered down. Is that original from the fabric or is this made by some previous owner?

All the best
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Old 07-28-2021, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Supraphonic LM400 Question

Ahh, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but some idiot tried to hammer snare beds into a perfectly good 1966 Supra.

The COB and the very early COA Supras (thru about 1962) have a very distinctive "crimped" snare bed. But from about 1963 onward, the snare beds on a Supra are so shallow as to be virtually non-existent. If you rub your finger along the bottom of the Supra, you can feel an ever-so-slight bed, but sometimes I think it's just my imagination! :-)

For all intents and purposes, the snare bed is undetectable on common 1960s Supras.

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Old 07-28-2021, 11:04 AM
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Thank you so much for your reply MB. I feared that might be the case, it didnít seem to fit such a beautiful drum.
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Old 07-28-2021, 11:48 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Supraphonic LM400 Question

That's a new one. It appears that the metal under the plating is brass. They used brass every now and then and the fact that the chrome is not blistered also points to it being brass.


If it is actually brass, I would get the edged built up with lead free solder and reshaped. If it is a garden variety aluminum shell I would try to return it and get your money back.

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Old 07-28-2021, 01:33 PM
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There should be some kind of museum of drum atrocities for things like this. wow
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Old 07-28-2021, 02:33 PM
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There should be some kind of museum of drum atrocities for things like this. wow
O-lugs is so right!!! Sickening!
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:07 PM
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That's a new one. It appears that the metal under the plating is brass. They used brass every now and then and the fact that the chrome is not blistered also points to it being brass.


If it is actually brass, I would get the edged built up with silver solder and reshaped. If it is a garden variety aluminum shell I would try to return it and get your money back.
Thank you so much for replying, I will look into the silver solder!
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Old 07-28-2021, 03:26 PM
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There could be an entire group in the forum for Ludwig scams.
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Old 07-28-2021, 05:27 PM
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Thank you so much for replying, I will look into the silver solder!

I misspoke about Silver solder. Silver solder requires higher temperatures and is more akin to brazing. You would be fine with any lead free solder that is sold for soldering pipes that you can pick up at the home center.


Solder will only work if the shell is actually brass.
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Old 07-28-2021, 06:16 PM
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I misspoke about Silver solder. Silver solder requires higher temperatures and is more akin to brazing. You would be fine with any lead free solder that is sold for soldering pipes that you can pick up at the home center.


Solder will only work if the shell is actually brass.
Thin shell, have you had success with this procedure? Won't the heat required to flow solder on the shell discolor the surrounding chrome?
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