7" cymbal that was mounted on a 22x10" Leedy bass drum.

Or nothing?

I was hoping that in a year, someone might have a guess for what the signature might be on this cymbal or if there's any possible ID at all? It came with a Leedy 22 x 10 bass drum that I picked up at an auction. https://vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=67228

I'm trying to date these two and I haven't opened up the drum yet to look.

Cymbal holder says Patent 1924784 Ludwig. Designed to clamp on the hoop.

No engraving/stamping on the top side?

I should have thought of that to start with, good question. Not that I can see. It's pretty heavy and unlike other cheap cymbals I've seen over the years, looks like good quality materials. The cup is large for such a small cymbal. More turning on the outer edge than the center.



Link to large image: https://postimg.cc/HjvcKgh0



Right click and open in new tab for full size image, very large.

it's usually "an Italian" brand/make with a signature and without a visible metal stamp.
part of the ufip/Zanki/ etc combine
Looks like my Atlas (Ufip) 7" cup Chime material.
It's Italian I'd bet

Look Pages 19 and 20 here - the 81 Gretsch catalog- for the variety Of later Ufip examples
(Page 18 are Canadian K's)

http://www.drumarchive.com/Gretsch/Gretsch_81.pdf

Thanks for the advice and looking Id say it's pretty much the size and shape of the smallest of the IFIP 4776 Clang, the bell is like that. Plus looking at their site, they seem to hammer out the cymbal and do more turning on the outside than the cup. That also matches.

I'll call that the answer unless some day I mysteriously find a better ID. I think what you wrote is correct.

The sharply descending zig zags of that signature are very similar to what is seen on the XE Ajaha's and Ajaha's of the 40's to early 50's. Might even be a "Constantinople" as part of that writing. Probably an early XE Ajaha...which was Italian-made....which often tried to copy the look and signatures of the old K Cons and K Istanbuls.

Thank you for the adiditional.

And about that trap holder?

1933. L. B. GREENLEAF 1,924,784
MUSICAL TRAP HOLDER Filed Feb. 20, 1932 dam/awn Patented Aug. 29, 1933 UNITED STATES MUSICAL TRAP HOLDER Leland B. Greenleaf, Elkhart, Ind., assignor to C. G. Conn, Ltd., Elkhart, Ind., a corporation of Indiana Application February 20, 1932. Serial No. 594,369

Marked with Ludwig Patent 1924784

https://patentimages.storage.googlea.../US1924784.pdf

The clamp, reminds me very much of the Ludwig, that's a bell/block holder on my drums from the 60s.