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Old 06-16-2021, 06:36 AM
Dan Boucher Dan Boucher is offline
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Think about it... Slingerland did not have separate molds to turn out shells with and without a wrap. Wraps of the time were thinner than they are now. I just removed all the original Red Glass Glitter from my 1965 shells and it is so much thinner that what is available today, or for the last few decades! Gretsch's shells were notoriously not undersized from the start. Add a wrap, and now you have a shell that is extremely difficult to get heads on and off! Today's cure for these Gretsch shells? Remo Classic Fit heads!!

-Mark
Good to have that cleared up because I had understood that the natural shells were the same overall diameter and the finished dimension of the wrapped drums. I would have expected that not to be the case with say, Rogers, because they bought their shells from outside suppliers. But you also see very few Rogers drum in a natural finish. As noted above, Ludwig and I believe Slingerland were building shells in house and might have done something different depending on the outer finish.

So I try to stash this correct information in place of the incorrect.
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Old 06-16-2021, 02:25 PM
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Think about it... Slingerland did not have separate molds to turn out shells with and without a wrap.
-Mark
This statement seems logical but can it be said without reservation that Slingerland did NOT have a means to produce different shells for use with or without a wrap? Slingerland produced their own shells 'in house'. Prior to '57 shells were formed with the wrap in place (with solid shells being the exception). From '57 onward the wrap was applied to the shell AFTER the shell was formed. "M" and "P" stamps first appear ~'58. One would expect a pre '57 wrapped or natural/painted drum to have the same outer diameter but what about the later "M" and "P" stamp drums? What about solid maple shells? It may be possible to prove/disprove the existence of different shell outer diameters by measuring the circumference of wrapped (P) and natural/painted (M) shells. Measurement should be made with a "tailor's" tape and can be accomplished on an assembled drum. For starters an early 60's wrapped solid shell 14" snare has a circumference of exactly 44". Precise measurements and info regarding type/size of drum, wrapped or natural shell, single or multi-ply and era of shell are required. Anyone, please post your findings.

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Old 06-16-2021, 02:40 PM
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I guess in hindsight my comment above should only be applied to WFL and pre-69 Ludwig drums, which went into the molds with the wraps already attached. Thus a finish-ply drum which gets wrapped later in life will have more head-fit challenges than a pre-69 drum that started life with a wrap.
You may not be wrong. There are reports of head fit problems when wrapping Slingerland shells that were originally natural/painted. Is it primarily pre '57 Slingerlands which were formed like the Ludwig's you mentioned above? Is it the post '57 shells also? Is it a wrap thickness issue? Is it just a perpetuated myth?

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Old 06-16-2021, 02:46 PM
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Wraps of the time were thinner than they are now. I just removed all the original Red Glass Glitter from my 1965 shells and it is so much thinner that what is available today, or for the last few decades!

-Mark
Mark, what is the thickness of your original Slingerland wrap? What is the thickness of a modern wrap? I've got a thickness of ~.020"-.025" for 60's Slingerland WMP wrap.

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