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okay, in today's world of drums companies/manufacturers like to throw around terms like vintage, legacy and classic. So I was wondering what some of you guys who have played vintage drums from the good old days think about today's efforts to replicate the drums of yesteryear?

You know, DW classics, Ludwig legacy classic, and even today's Gretch USA custom. so we're not comparing apples to oranges, let's compare each

companies product to its own vintage forerunner, or in DW's case to Slingerland's Radio Kings. So how about it, do they measure up?

1Eyed Jack Pearl/Paiste/Aquarian/Vick Ferth
Drums Pearl Master Custom Extra 1997
10x12 Tom
11x13 Tom
16x16 Floor Tom
6x14 Tama Star Phonic Snare Drum
18x24 Bass Drum
Cymbals Paiste
14"Dark Crisp Hats
17"&19"Sig Full Crashes 20"Giant Beat Multi
21" Sig Dry Heavy Ride
Posted on 10 years ago
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I've never played any of the newer kits, but I'll bet they are made well and sound great. I love vintage drums not only for the sound, but because they have a history to them, a character. You can't duplicate that in modern drums.

Posted on 10 years ago
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The Ludwig Legacy kits are fantastic. I wish I could afford one.

Posted on 10 years ago
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One thing I think that the new kits lack is age. The wood is not 40+ years old it has not dried out. Also in the case of ludwig the wrap is not tucked into the seam.

Not to say these make them better, just different.

I like Drums...
1963 Ludwig Downbeat Champagne Sparkle
1964 Leedy (Slingerland) Blue n Silver Duco
1964 Ludwig Club Date Sparkling Silver Pearl
1966 Ludwig Super Classic Sparkling Silver Pearl
1968 Gretsch round badge modern jazz orange stain
1972 Slingerland 85N Pop outfit Light Blue Pearl
1976 Ludwig Vistalite clear
1981 Gretsch SSB Gran Prix Rosewood
1987 Yamaha Turbo Tour Custom Mellow Yellow
1991 Pearl Export Ferrari Red
Posted on 10 years ago
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The Ayotte Custom has it. Thin shells with rerings. six ply. Nice ... a lot like 60s Rogers.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 10 years ago
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I'm sure they're all great. I don't have any remakes. Just the original stuff. And for modern, I'm good with a few Yamaha top end kits.

Posted on 10 years ago
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I play a new Legacy kit with a mostly vintage build and traditional sizes, probably my favorite kit ever! I really don't think I could tell the difference if you put it next to a vintage kit of the same sizes.

Posted on 10 years ago
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From clubdate64

One thing I think that the new kits lack is age. The wood is not 40+ years old it has not dried out. Also in the case of ludwig the wrap is not tucked into the seam. Not to say these make them better, just different.

I believe Ludwig stopped tucking the wrap in or around 1969-1970.

Funny that, I've been looking for a modern set that suited my needs ,however I wanted a set that straddled the fence between modern and vintage. I guess that is why I've always been drawn towards Rogers drums. After all, in my opinion, its all about how the edges are cut...Anyway, I've been curious about the new Gretsch Broadcaster series, checking out sound files and Youtube clips. They do seem to measure up.They remind me of my 40's Radio Kings...And then I went into my studio and played my 1971 Ludwig SBP set with clear maple interior and thought to myself, I'm chasing my tail here. I already have what I'm looking for. The Ludwig edges on my 71 set are fairly rounded with a lot of bearing edge head contact , much like my RK set. Yes, the Broadcaster sound and look great not to mention that I'm sure production is more accurate these days, but I like the little idiosyncrasies of vintage drums. I like the fact that its occasionally challenging to tune up some of my old kits, because once they are dialed in, there is nothing like them . Having said that, if I came into a little extra cash, I can't promise myself that I could resist placing an order on a new "modern vintage" Broadcaster set down the road...

SC

Posted on 10 years ago
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I'm going to say that the difference is in the aged wood..This "new" wood hasn't aged or settled like it's older "forefathers", but they come pretty close..The one thing i've noticed about Ludwig is that their hardware seems cheaper than the vintage hardware in terms of the type of metals used.. They may be beefed up, but are not as strong as the originals, and i have personal proof of this..

I ordered a Rockers Tom Post and Diamond plate from Ludwig 6 months ago for my Ludwig restoration project, and as i was loosening and tightening the wing nut which secures the post in place, the protective piece snapped and popped right out, and it was only after half a turn at the limit of tightness !. It's like cheapo matchbox car die cast compared to an original that i bought for the same resto project.. I tightened the original to way beyond it's limit and it did not budge..

That's the quality that's lacking with today's Ludwig metal parts and hardware.. I also bought a supralite last year and sent it right back and demanded store credit because when i was adjusting the butt plate of the drum, the drum key screws snapped in half !! On both sides !.. I was furious and shouted WTF ??..

Whenever i'm looking for a Ludwig part i make sure that it's an original part from now on.. These hardware parts are put on all Ludwig's high end kits, yet they say "made in the U.S.A" What they should be saying, and this is my personal conviction, is that it's hardware is made in China and assembled in the U.S.A..

Same thing with DW's vintage hardware.. I once bought their 6000 series vintage classic single pedal, and although it was smooth and fluid as heck, the hoop clamp screw that adjusts to the size of the hoop, bent only after a few gigs to the point where i needed pliers to pry it out without damaging the screw insert hole.. As I looked underneath the pedal when removing the screw, there was a very small sticker on the bottom of the heel plate that said, you guessed it, "made in Taiwan"..

These drum companies are stating words "vintage" and "classic" like it's the real deal, when it's far from it..The drums may sound close to the originals, but no cigar.. As far as the hardware, well, as you can see, there's no comparison.. I'd much rather have a flimsy original Rail consolette mount , then a weakened made in Taiwan that's been beefed up to make it look sturdy.. However, this varies from each manufacturer.. I think the only company that hasn't changed their manufacturing process and parts process is Gretsch, and although i'm a Ludwig user, i still think Gretsch is top notch above all the original big names..

Posted on 10 years ago
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I love my vintage kits but my 13 16 18 26 Legacy kit is

My main kit. The workmanship is great, round shells with flawless

Edges.

Posted on 10 years ago
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