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One of the great things about having an interest in vintage drums, whether as a collector or as a player, is that the learning process never seems to end.

The other day I happened to run across a Slingerland kit that consisted of single-headed toms, what I believed to be a rather unique-sized (14x16) floor tom and what I was certain were mismatched bass drum hoops -- one being made of metal and the other being made of wood.

How wrong I was!DOH

After a little research via Rob Cook's fine publication "The Slingerland Book", I discovered that this kit was actually a Slingerland POP OUTFIT 58N, offered between the years of 1968-1977. It consisted of a 14x20 bass drum, 8x12 & 9x13 single-headed toms, a 14x16 single-headed floor tom and a 5x14 snare drum. The bass drum was actually factory-issued with a wooden hoop on the batter side and a metal hoop on the opposite side. Talk about "bizarre!"Mind Blowi

The bass drum was described as being "finished on the inside with rippled chrome vinyl." In all honesty, I can't even get a good visual of that one. I would have taken a closer look if I had known this when I ran across the kit.

After this "old dog" learned these "new tricks" I started to wonder how many of these 58N kits are still out there in their original configuration. This is actually the first one I've ever seen and, as I stated above, I simply thought it was a piece-mealed, mismatched set of drums. Have any of you run across this particular kit through the years?

I realize that kits with the so-called "concert" toms aren't very popular and certainly aren't as valuable as double-headed drums but in this particular case wouldn't the kit be valued more if kept in its "as is" state due to the originality factor? Would it make any sense to even consider installing hardware on the bottom sides of the toms?

Just a few things I'm hoping to get some feedback on.

As usual, thanks for your time!

Posted on 14 years ago
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I'm finding this vintage drum stuff interesting, too. In my search for a front hoop for my Slingerland 24" BD I was offered some metal hoops - music store owner thought they might have come off a Slingy - but I declined at this point, not thinking this was even close to original. You prove me wrong - but - will probably still hold out for a wooden hoop.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From OldSchool

One of the great things about having an interest in vintage drums, whether as a collector or as a player, is that the learning process never seems to end.The other day I happened to run across a Slingerland kit that consisted of single-headed toms, what I believed to be a rather unique-sized (14x16) floor tom and what I was certain were mismatched bass drum hoops -- one being made of metal and the other being made of wood.How wrong I was!DOH After a little research via Rob Cook's fine publication "The Slingerland Book", I discovered that this kit was actually a Slingerland POP OUTFIT 58N, offered between the years of 1968-1977. It consisted of a 14x20 bass drum, 8x12 & 9x13 single-headed toms, a 14x16 single-headed floor tom and a 5x14 snare drum. The bass drum was actually factory-issued with a wooden hoop on the batter side and a metal hoop on the opposite side. Talk about "bizarre!"Mind BlowiThe bass drum was described as being "finished on the inside with rippled chrome vinyl." In all honesty, I can't even get a good visual of that one. I would have taken a closer look if I had known this when I ran across the kit.After this "old dog" learned these "new tricks" I started to wonder how many of these 58N kits are still out there in their original configuration. This is actually the first one I've ever seen and, as I stated above, I simply thought it was a piece-mealed, mismatched set of drums. Have any of you run across this particular kit through the years?I realize that kits with the so-called "concert" toms aren't very popular and certainly aren't as valuable as double-headed drums but in this particular case wouldn't the kit be valued more if kept in its "as is" state due to the originality factor? Would it make any sense to even consider installing hardware on the bottom sides of the toms?Just a few things I'm hoping to get some feedback on.As usual, thanks for your time!

Oldschool, In fact one of our members here kevins.

just got three of the toms off a kit from ebay, the two small mounted toms and the 14x16 floor tom. the seller listed the floor tom as a 16x16", but it wasn't it was the 14x16"

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

Oldschool, In fact one of our members here kevins.just got three of the toms off a kit from ebay, the two small mounted toms and the 14x16 floor tom. the seller listed the floor tom as a 16x16", but it wasn't it was the 14x16"

Must have been the pink oysters?

They're from a Modern Combo 75N kit I believe, a somewhat different configuration than the Pop Outfit 58N.

They appear to be in excellent condition!

Looks like the bass drum's currently on e-Bay as a "stand-alone" item.

Hopefully, Kevin can get the complete kit!

Posted on 14 years ago
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From OldSchool

Must have been the pink oysters?They're from a Modern Combo 75N kit I believe, a somewhat different configuration than the Pop Outfit 58N.They appear to be in excellent condition!Looks like the bass drum's currently on e-Bay as a "stand-alone" item.Hopefully, Kevin can get the complete kit!

NO I know which kit your referring to, they are COW chrome over wood, the bass drum he didn't want.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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Wow, one metal hoop? Was there an explanation on that description, OldSchool? Weird!

Posted on 14 years ago
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Hey Gary, (Old School) I tried to send you a PM but you need to clean out your message folder. What I told you that disappeared is that Slingerland has had bass drums with wood/metal combos before. I had a Chicago badge drum that was 18x20 with a wood hoop on the batter (bass drum) side and a stick saver on the front/top. It has floor tom leg mounts and bass spurs. I was told it was called a convertible drum. So Slingerland has been down this road before. The kit you found should be collected I don't think there are very many of those around. I know the deal with single headed drums but sooner or later we will all be looking for them. We NEED PICTURES!! especially the inside of the BD with the "rippled chrome vinyl". What were they thinking?

Posted on 14 years ago
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