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My Slingy Story Last viewed: 2 hours ago

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WARNING: It's a long story...

Dear fellow drummers & Slingerland fans:

I thought you’d like to see these drums and maybe enjoy hearing the story behind them. I know I’d like to hear your feedback and comments. Start off by imagining if this kit had been listed recently on eBay; there might be a few questions and head scratching over it. What you see is a set of maple Slingerlands with Niles badges in the following sizes: 20” bass, 12x8 & 9x13” rack toms with 14x14’ and 16X16” floor toms and a Buddy Rich COB snare with the TDR strainer. The serial numbers are as follows: Bass drum: 266629, 12” tom: 403893, 13” tom: 403891, 14” tom: 403894, 16” tom: 403895, snare: 495994. There is no set like it listed in the catalogs of that era and the strange part is the shells on the bass drum and floor toms are standard 5-ply but the rack toms are 9-ply…What gives?

Fortunately, I can answer some of those questions as I am the original owner of these drums. I purchased them on special order back in December 1976 and basically it’s a 50N model with the following upgrades and/or changes: Super Set-o-matic holder, Buddy Rich snare, 20” bass drum and an extra 14” floor tom. You might be amused to hear how the company rep gave me this story about some new shells they were offering called “pro shells” that were available for a small extra charge. I can still see him putting his hands up as if he were caressing a beach ball as he described how the shells were glued up under pressure and heat. In my as yet not fully-developed brain I said to myself: “no rings – must be strong, heavy - that's good, pro shell - Buddy must play these…me likey!” When other people would comment on how they sounded I would say: “well, that’s because they’re special order drums with special shells – not many people have them!”

...when the snickering stops I’ll continue….

But why are the plies on the rack toms different and what about the jump in serial numbers? Well, as everyone knows, a lot of American manufacturers in the late 70’s were cutting corners and Slingerland was no exception. For example, the original snare that came with the kit had a dent in it. That and the hardware in particular, had so many issues that I even sent a letter to Don Osborne about it and got a reply back from Larry Linkin (the copy of the letter wouldn't upload or you could see his response). It was sometime after that when I discovered that the bearing edges on all of the tom shells were not true so I sent every one back to Slingerland demanding that they either fix the edges or send me replacements (luckily for me, Slingerland offered a 5 year warranty). This was in 1979. They sent me replacement shells and the bearing edges are as precise as any you'll ever see. Whether they were made by Slingerland or came from someone else I have no idea, but you can see for yourselves the difference in the new shells compared to the original bass drum shell in the pictures below. Since I had some weather checking with whatever finish they originally put on the drums, I decided to have the whole kit redone with polyurethane varnish before I put everything back together (6 coats sprayed with fine wet sanding between each coat and a final rubbing of pumice and rottenstone followed by carnuba wax). They tended to get hazy after a while so I took the wax off and used burnishing cream to bring the shine back to what you see in the photos. I thought the chrome inlay on the bass drums hoops looked cheesy so I left it off when they were redone.

That, boys and girls, is the story of how this particular kit came to be. I hope it wasn’t too long or boring. I love these babies and to me they sound as good as they look.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Robbie, great story. I'll have to say the 9 ply shells are a new one to me. you can up load the pic of the letter on your next post you can upload 5 pics at a time. I bought a custom ordered kit also from 1979 it is all 3 ply shells 6 piece double bass kit lots of strange things coming from that time frame. I am a huge Slingerland fan, thanks for sharing your kit with us.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 10 years ago
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I'm another Slingerland lover who played them for most of the years I gigged a lot during the mid 50's through the late 70's. Some of you guys and I are guilty of causing catalog-correct retentives to go nuts because we played Slingy (or other brands) of drums that came from the factory as complete sets..........BUT...........they were not pictured in the catalogue in the configurations that we wanted. I never gave it a thought back when I was buying new drums. I ordered and bought the groupings that I wanted. The music stores I frequented in and around Chicago tended to buy confgurations that SOLD rather than those that were PICTURED in the wish books. Now, as a collector of the vintage drums that I love, I take pervertse delight in reading the comments on drum forums by people who are appalled that someone could play a drum set configuration that was never pictured in a catalog. Do those guys ever read the small print that mentions other sizes as options to the drums in the pictures?

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Welcome robbie!

Wonderful story. Funny you should mention about the bearing edges! I had a similar experience with my first Slingerland kit, a Buddy Rich outfit. Almost all my toms would buzz. Even the bass drum! I didn't really know much about bearing edges back then, but I was able to track down the problem to the edges being out of level. I sent a letter to Slingerland detailing the problem, even including pictures. They sent their West Coast rep, Phil Hulsey, out to my house. Phil also went on to become Slingerland's president for a short time. Phil checked out my shells and agreed all the edges were not true. A complete set of shells was sent to me, but I had to swap all the hardware. I was actually excited to do it! Never even fitted heads to the shells until all the hardware was transferred. I discovered that the replacement bass drum was so out of round that the heads would not fit. Phil contacted me by phone and basically felt I was doing something wrong. He sent his son to check out the shell. His son was totally embarrassed for Slingerland that such an out-of-round shell could be made! Yep, he couldn't get the heads on! There's a bit more to the story, but I just wanted to relate my bearing edge issues with you.

Thanks for your wonderful story and pictures of the kit!

Mark

Posted on 10 years ago
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Nice kit obviously looked after well.. and good explanatory post

My 51n is not catalogued either (at least the finish isn't)... I'm guessing that the extra spur set was at your request also, as have not seen that on a 20".

Cheers

John

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 10 years ago
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Thanks for the replies, everyone. I love this forum and have learned a lot from browsing through the posts. Looks like the same guy made our shells, Mark! I have also left out a lot of details...for example, John mentioned the double spurs. Actually the double set of spurs was their idea. True to form, however, the back set of spurs wouldn't retract all the way in on the 20" shell as they were too long with the way the mounts were attached....grrrr...I actually had to cut off an inch or two with a hacksaw to make them fit! It probably didn't make any difference with a 22" or larger bass but at Slingerland nobody checked these things, apparently

....jeez...Clapping Happy2

Looks like I will have to figure out a way to convert the letter from Larry Linkin as when I scan the file it comes out as too large to send - the size limit for PDF files is only 19.2 kb and the file size at the lowest resolution comes out to 62 kb

I'm working on it....

Best regards to all,

Rob

Posted on 10 years ago
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As I said these are great sounding drums - even with the thick shells that I understand have fallen out of favor with some drummers. I know it's all personal preference, but I have had other sets (Tama and Ludwig mainly) and these hold their own as far as I'm concerned. I also have had many positive comments over the years from other musicians.They have punch, that's for sure, but with twin Ambassadors the toms tune up the way I like them. The bass drum is a cannon and very easy to control the amount of resonance with just a little bit of damping.

I played an gig outdoors recently and the drummer with another band on the bill was ribbing me about my 20" bass drum (he had a 24"). I told him when I join a marching band I'll think about getting a 24"

....ahem (just kidding, folks) ...anyway...after we played our set, he came over to me and said: "Man, your set sounds good"

I guess having mikes and good sound man out front helps a little....

Posted on 10 years ago
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I'm sure everyone of these stories at the time were head aches for the people involved. But I find it kind of funny. They really were "just drums". And now I can see why guys like buddy Rich would spend hours in a cymbal vault or a factory combing over shells.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Crazy... re the spurs.. I can see why you would have that problem. The rear spur mounts are mounted higher on the shell than the normal position. Qc was out the door around that period..

Cheers

John

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 10 years ago
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As promised...here is the letter I received from Larry Linkin

(note the little picture of Buddy in the lower left-hand corner...sweet)

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