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Ludwig Vistalite bass drum with off-center tom mount?

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I have a question for the experts...

Maybe some of the CT people have seen this already, but there is a '73 Vistalite in blue for sale at the local Sam Ash for $999; been there for quite a while, and they just can't seem to get rid of it. It's in very good shape. Not listed online anymore, so unfortunately I can't pull up a picture of it, but..

I was there yesterday getting some random stuff and finally inquired about it. Eric, the drum dept manager, said that it was sold for something like $1500 out of a different Sam Ash, and the customer returned it as defective, because the tom mount was actually off to the right side (if facing the kit), so they took it back at the New Haven store and dropped the price of it by 500 bucks and are now trying to get rid of it. I had suggested that it was possibly a virgin bass drum and the mount was added later on, but even Eric said that if it was a virgin drum, the badge would be centered, and the badge is actually lined up with the off-center mount. (Drums are up high so I never noticed this anomaly). The seam is dead center bottom and the spurs are in the correct place and there is no evidence of filler or modification.

So - is it possible these were a straight-up defect from the factory in 73? Could something like that seriously pass even Ludwig's quality control? Or is it more probable that this was a 3-piece configuration and the second rack tom was added later?

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 9 years ago
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It could have been an early Vistalite. I'm also from CT and know Sam Ash very well. I'm not gonna personally go into it, but there is a lack of knowledge floating about that place. I tend to agree with you that someone altered the drum. Would need to see where the badge is and what the grommet looks like. I would also like to see the seam, there is a possibility of the bass being an RCI that was custom made for someone. I know they make their drums look 100% like Ludwigs if asked to.

18 Kits & 40+ snares..
Not a Guru, just addicted to drums

- Jay
Posted on 9 years ago
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I know the very kit you are talking about. It has been there for quite a while. I was never close enough to it to inspect the kick. But I do remember seeing the Tom mount very crooked to say the least. My guess was maybe it was a virgin kick that an amature installed the Tom mount on. But don't let anyone in that store fool you. It has been there for years. A friend of mine at least a year ago got a price from the guy of 900 beans. He went instead with a brand new set of crystal beats.

"Time fly's like an arrow. fruit fly's like a banana"
Posted on 9 years ago
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From john rutsey

But don't let anyone in that store fool you. It has been there for years.

Oh I know it has - I remember checking out Speed King pedals back when they had the new re-issues and it was on the wall; that had to be at least 4 years ago.

The only thing about it being a virgin drum that is still confusing is the location of the badge and that it lines up directly with the crazy position of the mount. He said they've been trying to get rid of it for a while, and I'm going to guess that's probably the reason it's still sitting there...

Would need to see where the badge is and what the grommet looks like. I would also like to see the seam, there is a possibility of the bass being an RCI that was custom made for someone. I know they make their drums look 100% like Ludwigs if asked to.

i would like to see it closer too... the seam was pretty big and noticeable from the floor, which makes me think it's original Ludwig but who knows.

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 9 years ago
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I saw that same kit well over a year ago (almost 2 years actually) when I was last there. Yes it was up kind high on a rack on the wall. Back then it had a $999 price tag on it. Maybe it was on special when I was there? I didn't notice the bass mount. They did look nice though. 22-16-13-12 and don't think there was a snare. Was bass amp shopping with my son. But the drum section always sucks me in. The off center mount would be a issue if used 2 up. How far to the right is it? Can you adjust 1 bass spur further out and the other in to get the tom mount at 12 o'clock? If so that would not bother me if they knock a little off the price too. I can see easily it could be a factory mistake that slipped out the door. 73!!! nuff said!! Reminds me of the RK kit at the GC in Orange. Tack toms and a 28" bass. Nice but not $1299 nice. Sat on the floor for over a year and they put it on the shelf behind the drum counter.

Edit to add the SA I was at was in Hamden. Not sure if that's called the New Haven store or if there's another.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 9 years ago
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Nothing would surprise me from the Ludwig factory, especially with that badge being off-center. Love Ludwig, but there were some doozies!

Mitch

Posted on 9 years ago
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From FFR428

I saw that same kit well over a year ago (almost 2 years actually) when I was last there. Yes it was up kind high on a rack on the wall. Back then it had a $999 price tag on it. Maybe it was on special when I was there? I didn't notice the bass mount. They did look nice though. 22-16-13-12 and don't think there was a snare. Was bass amp shopping with my son. But the drum section always sucks me in. The off center mount would be a issue if used 2 up. How far to the right is it? Can you adjust 1 bass spur further out and the other in to get the tom mount at 12 o'clock? If so that would not bother me if they knock a little off the price too. I can see easily it could be a factory mistake that slipped out the door. 73!!! nuff said!! Reminds me of the RK kit at the GC in Orange. Tack toms and a 28" bass. Nice but not $1299 nice. Sat on the floor for over a year and they put it on the shelf behind the drum counter.Edit to add the SA I was at was in Hamden. Not sure if that's called the New Haven store or if there's another.

I think it's too far over to be able to adjust; it's not like it's off a fraction, it's between the next set of lugs :) That's why it's so possible Ludwig screwed that one up... The price was still $999, he said they wouldn't go any lower since they already knocked 500 off of it because of the "defect"... Probably going to sit for a while then.

The New Haven store is the only CT store; on Amity Rd on the way to Woodbridge..

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 9 years ago
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That's a bummer on the mount so far off. Think your right they'll sit a while. The CT show is coming up and there's always nice gear there. Yes that's the store I was thinking of.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 9 years ago
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From FFR428

That's a bummer on the mount so far off. Think your right they'll sit a while. The CT show is coming up and there's always nice gear there. Yes that's the store I was thinking of.

I'm saving some dough for that show; never know what pops up!

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 9 years ago
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So they dropped the price of that Vistalite to $699... Should I bite? Is it even possible to fill an acrylic shell?

Kits:
1966 Ludwig Hollywood Gold Sparkle Pearl 12/13/16/22
Star 3pc in Red Glass Glitter (1960's)
Snares:
1959 Ludwig Pioneer Mahogany
60's Ludwig Pioneer Gold Sparkle
60's Ludwig Acrolite (Keystone)
Ludwig/Custom 6.5x14
1960's Bolero (MIJ)
Posted on 9 years ago
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