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Hello to everyone. Thought I'd ask to see if anyone had better info than what I have found so far on my own. I recently found a couple snares in my basement. Neither one is in great shape but starting doing research and found out they are "vintage". Both have the Keystone badges. One is 39*** (two tone snare) and the other is

71***. I guess my question is this....all the serial number charts skip from 1964 at 33*** to 1965 108***....what happeend to all the numbers in between?? Best answer I have found is the badges might have sat around unused for a while and then used later on. I have posted a few pictures and will post more (better ones) if needed. I was just wondering if anyone could give me some insight on these two drums. Thanks guys!

Posted on 10 years ago
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Posted on 10 years ago
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Nice find.

The wooden one is a Jazz Festival Model #908L. Love the Duco lacquer finish, chips and all. Ringo played a similar snare, but with a pearl wrap instead of the two-tone lacquer.

My search for the perfect wooden snare drum ended when I got my WFL Barrett Deems, which is the model name that the Jazz Festival before the company name change.

The metal one is a Super-Sensitive. A top-of-the-line metal snare.

-Erik
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Early '70's Slingerland New Rock #50 in blue agate (20-16-13-12)
Late '50's WFL Swingster/Barrett Deems in black/gold Duco
'70's Slingerland Gene Krupa Sound King COB
early '70's Ludwig Acrolite
'80's Ludwig Rocker II 6 1/2" snare
Rogers Supreme Big "R" hi hat

Posted on 10 years ago
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The 2 tone duco snare looks to have only 6 lugs? Which would make it a Pioneer. Still a cool drum but not quite as desirable as a Jazz Fest

The red baseball bat muffler on the Super Sensitive probably makes it 1964. That's a nice drum but I can't tell if it's all there.

Andrew

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Posted on 10 years ago
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From Fayray

The 2 tone duco snare looks to have only 6 lugs? Which would make it a Pioneer. Still a cool drum but not quite as desirable as a Jazz Fest

Ooh, well-spotted. Yes, it's a Pioneer. 6 lugs. I especially like the look of the two-tone finish with the more widely-spaced lugs.

I'd like to line a Pioneer up next to my Deems and see if they sound different from each other.

My Acrolite and Supraphonic sure sound different from each other.

-Erik
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Early '70's Slingerland New Rock #50 in blue agate (20-16-13-12)
Late '50's WFL Swingster/Barrett Deems in black/gold Duco
'70's Slingerland Gene Krupa Sound King COB
early '70's Ludwig Acrolite
'80's Ludwig Rocker II 6 1/2" snare
Rogers Supreme Big "R" hi hat

Posted on 10 years ago
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Hi there!

I give my shot:

1. 1964 Pioneer Duco Finish Blue Silver. Very nice snare, in a probably the most common duco finish available. You may find many of them on Fleabay.

Not much sought after as the Jazz Fest by far, but a very nice snare anyway.

2. 1964 Super Sensitive. Great snare, but during this era the snare guards were attached to the lower t-rods as both side of the snare mechanism, as independent frame. A year later, the s.guard was changed to a hoop-riveted model.

To find those snare guards, could be a nightmare....

As far as I see, this babe has also some broken part (nylon t-cam) from the SS strainer, but you can find a new one for 10 bucks.

Great snare, and a brave endeavour to restore...

Best of lucks!!


Ludwig '67 Classic B.D.P.
Ludwig '79 Classic Pro-beat
C. A. F. '72 New Sonic "The Argentinean Ludwig"
A bunch of Ludwig snares..... + Dyna & P.Tone.

and always trying to recover some orphan drums!!
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agreed on above . 64 models. Ludwig was running hard and strong at that time and many drums didn't get date stamps in 64.

mike

Posted on 10 years ago
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As others have mentioned here. Your snare drum are Pioneer and Supra-phonic or Super Sensitive version because of that snare mechanism. The white paint on the exterior of the wooden shell indicates it's from the 60's and the red felt tone control on the steel snare would also indicate an early 1960's drum. After 1964 they changed to a white felt tone control. These are wonderful drums! Good luck!

Posted on 10 years ago
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Another thing worth mentioning is that the Supra-phonic you have there is a chrome over aluminum shell. They are often mistaken for the chrome plated brass Supra-phonic shell which looked almost identical, but I can see in the photos that you have the aluminum shell made from 64 to present. I can also see a red felt on the tone control so I think we can assume this drum is a 64 or 65 chrome over aluminum shell. They're excellent snare drums.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Nice find and in your basement too! I wish I would find new things in my basement.

Based on the pictures of the Super Sensitive and the lack of deep pitting on the chrome of the shell, you might have a chrome over brass (COB) drum. Is the drum heavy? The extra snare mechanisms will make it heavier than an aluminum Supra, but a COB snare is noticeably heavier.

Let's see if other members agree.

-Tim

Posted on 10 years ago
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