Went to the show and got a brief rundown on these from our own member Bermuda. Neat concept, some things that folks won't like. Jon spent 3 days with these kits and has some great knowledge on them. IMHO, it's pushing the envelope and it's qualiity shells made in Monroe at the factory. The wrap, which is a ply has a funky look to it. I think this is another great idea from Ludwig and a great quality kit at a decent price. Ludwig shells people and a double 45 edge!