I picked these up today.
14x20 8x12 14x14
I paid 650
I would give them a 8.5 out of 10.
I have a mint 65 matching Pioneer snare as well.
everything looks original except straight legs. No L arm but I have already.
all chrome is very good.
serial numbers coincide with oct 1965 per Vintage Drum Guide Ludwig page.
NO stamps on inside.
thoughts?
always like to hear what others think