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Isn't it all just sentimentality? Last viewed: 29 minutes ago

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I hope I don't sound like I'm minimizing the importance of vintage drums, but over the years, as I have read numerous threads about which era, which maker, which drummers, which music, or recording techniques, etc, etc, is "best" I can't help but think; isn't it all really just sentimentality, nostalgia, preference, and personal opinion?

Some love 60's drums or music or drummers, for others it's 50's, and yet others will swear that it's another era. We can certainly agree that there are different manufacturing techniques and materials, and styles of playing and recording but in the end isn't everything just opinion shaped by our personal experiences and preferences?

I read a post recently in which someone said the 60's resulted in the most significant music in music history. Tell that to big band fans.

I have nothing against having a preference. I personally prefer 60's drums, I stretch that to 50's and 70's but I do have a fondness for 60's does that make them better. I also prefer late 60's and 70's music over 50's and 80's.

Does that make one "better" than the other?

Nothing wrong with sentiment.

I'm just a sentimental old fool but isn't that what this is really what this is all about?

1958 Gretsch Kit
1966 Kent Kit
1969 Ludwig Standard Kit
1970 Rogers Power Tone Kit
1970's Ludwig Vistalite Kit
1994 Yamaha Maple Custom
2010 Yamaha Maple Custom
28 assorted snares (including some real crap)
and 1 really nice K Zildjian Istanbul
Posted on 11 years ago
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I don't think you're minimizing the importance of vintage drums in the least. Like yourself, I also have more of an emotional and sentimental attachment to drums from about 1966 to around 1975. I've purchased many vintage kits of that era (Ludwig, Rogers and Slingerland) to relive my youth! It's cost me quite a bit of $$$. In all honesty, I don't play any more! All these kits are taking up space at both my house and my girlfriends house! Do I love to LOOK at them? You bet! But, I don't actually play them. As I write this, I'm currently thinking about obtaining another Slingerland kit. I need serious help!!

Still, these kits do bring back a place and time in music that can't be duplicated. I know that many of these kits have lots of issues, such as quality control from drum to drum. Still, the kit's I've obtained have been well made and sound great. I do plan to list some for sale on this forum in the not-to-distant future and hope they will find a good home from those that will PLAY them!

Mark

Posted on 11 years ago
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From idrum4fun

All these kits are taking up space at both my house and my girlfriends house! Do I love to LOOK at them? You bet! But, I don't actually play them. Mark

Nothing wrong with that! How many guys have vintage cars which they seldom drive? How many grandma's have vintage china displayed in hutches which never gets used? I have a wife who, for some reason, bought a state-of-the-art stove which sits unused in the kitchen on display. Who knows why we become attached to objects which we never use?

-No Guru... still learning more every day-
Posted on 11 years ago
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I think Quality issues initially drove musicians to vintage drums. By the 80's many of the manufacturers had lowered the quality of their drums, & were on their way out of business. The shells became thicker & heavier, the lugs got thinner, some wraps were put on poorly, self tapping screws were being used to attach lugs (this is all documented in the Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers & Gretsch books). Drummers realized that the drums of the 50's -70's were well made & really holding up . Even drums from the earlier eras were holding their integrity, including some very fancy & beautiful designs (engraving), & even though tube lugs had engineering weaknesses they were visually appealing). There were more brass shells, solid shells, brass hoops, tight wraps.

However, at a certain point in modern times manufacturers began making high quality drums & hardware. There is now an explosion of quality mass produced & boutique instruments. So perhaps there is not the same rationale for having "Vintage" equipment in the 21st Century as there was in the 80's- 90's.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From tdennis

I think Quality issues initially drove musicians to vintage drums. By the 80's many of the manufacturers had lowered the quality of their drums, & were on their way out of business. The shells became thicker & heavier, the lugs got thinner, some wraps were put on poorly, self tapping screws were being used to attach lugs (this is all documented in the Ludwig, Slingerland, Rogers & Gretsch books). Drummers realized that the drums of the 50's -70's were well made & really holding up . Even drums from the earlier eras were holding their integrity, including some very fancy & beautiful designs (engraving), & even though tube lugs had engineering weaknesses they were visually appealing). There were more brass shells, solid shells, brass hoops, tight wraps. However, at a certain point in modern times manufacturers began making high quality drums & hardware. There is now an explosion of quality mass produced & boutique instruments. So perhaps there is not the same rationale for having "Vintage" equipment in the 21st Century as there was in the 80's- 90's.

well put.

Yes SirCoffee Break2

1977 Ludwig Vistalite 12-13-16-22
1976 ludwig acrolite
1957 Rogers Holiday BMP snare
Posted on 11 years ago
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From mchair303

Nothing wrong with that! How many guys have vintage cars which they seldom drive? How many grandma's have vintage china displayed in hutches which never gets used? I have a wife who, for some reason, bought a state-of-the-art stove which sits unused in the kitchen on display. Who knows why we become attached to objects which we never use?

Good point! I THINK I feel a little better! LoLoLoLo

Posted on 11 years ago
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From tdennis

However, at a certain point in modern times manufacturers began making high quality drums & hardware. There is now an explosion of quality mass produced & boutique instruments. So perhaps there is not the same rationale for having "Vintage" equipment in the 21st Century as there was in the 80's- 90's.

A very good point. Some of the product coming out from late DW, Craviotto, C&C is killer. Yamaha have been benchmarking for decades now although the split from Sakae could prove interesting. Sakae are now making their own drums. Sonor are unshakable over quality. New Gretsch have got their act together. We live in interesting times. I still love my old birds though. I still get a feeling that the newbies are still trying to emulate those old shells.

40's Slingerland Radio King WMP
60's Ludwig Downbeat Silver Spark
70's Ludwig Super Classic White Marine
60's Gretsch RB Champaigne Spark
70's Rogers Big R Black
90's Sonor Hilite (Red maple)
00's DW Collectors Broken Glass
00's DW Jazz Series Tangerine Glass
10's DW Collectors (Acrylic) Matt Black Wrap
10's PDP Concept Wood Hoop kit (Maple)
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Posted on 11 years ago
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Here is my answer to a similar question on a different thread.

I like a little bit of all of em! I love the real early stuff, pre-1925. That old wood just has a sound and look all its own. I love the 40's drums because of the Big Band era and the WWII drums. I also like some of the newer collectible stuff too. I play a 90th Anniversary Ludwig, Top Hat and Cane set and I just scored a Gretsch 125th Anniversary set, in Cadillac Green, new in the boxes. I play everything from Count Basie to Heavy Metal. I cut my teeth on Big Band music so it is my favorite to listen to and to play.

"You know what would be great?"
Posted on 11 years ago
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Very true about the quality dip in the 1980s. I have always thought this was because some manufacturers started cutting corners to compete with the imports. I distinctly remember being at Manny Music on 48th st and looking at the new sets of that time and being very Unimpressed with them.

I was glad I had a 1960s Round Badge Gretsch!!

Posted on 11 years ago
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You all are forgetting the wood! it was the old growth maple that made so many drums sound super it is no longer available. can not be grown again in 2 lifetimes...

Posted on 11 years ago
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