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I got tricked, I need your opinion about the real value Last viewed: 18 hours ago

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First of all, I'm not a drummer, but I do like vintage instruments, so obviously, vintage drums !

I wanted to buy a kit so me and my bandmates (we don't have a drummer at the moment) could play some beats and/or do some basic recording.

I saw an add, for a 70s ludwig kit, the guy said there was no ludwig badges because he reshelled the kit in the late 80s and didn't kept them. But the tom holder on the kick drum is a ludwig, the clip on the 13" tom is ludwig, the hi-hat is ludwig spur-lok. He sweared to me it was a ludwig, and the kit doesn't sounded bad so I trusted him, i'm dumb...

Ok after buying the kit (remember I knew nothing about drums when I bought it...) I realised it was not a ludwig (oh... surprise!) It seems to be a japanese drum with some ludwig hardware on it. The lugs are not ludwig (they are more slingerland type). The wood is really thin lauan (about 1/16" thickness) with maple rings on top and bottom. Wood grain is vertical.

The kick seems to came from another kit because slightly differents lugs, no maple rings and thicker wood (i'm not sure if it's lauan because it's harder and not exact same color, but wood grain still from top to bottom).

The kit I got included: 22-16-13 shells, snare (same construction as toms, 1/16 lauan with maple rings), ludwig hi-hat, camco bass drum pedal, old Zildjian cymbals (2 X 16 crash, 2 x 14 hi-hat) all in good conditions, 3 cymbals stands and a Ludwig tuning key. I paid 500$ canadian for it. Did I got really ripped off? I know the Zildjian cymbals have some values, so I hope that was not THAT bad....

thanks for reading this very long post, I'm sure someone have an opinion on that!

Posted on 14 years ago
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First off Welcome to the forum, Can you post pics of the kit inside the shells etc! and the cymbals and hardware, that will help in the evaluation!

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
#2
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Thanks for the greetings! I don't have pictures right now, the drum is at my practice space but I will try this weekend.

If that can help, the Zildjian are probably from the early 80s, no cracks and sounds good.

About the shells, there is not much to say, it looks like 2ply lauan (2 ply is this possible?) with maple rings.

Also something I forgot to describe, all the heads are in good condition, on toms ambassador coated + emperor coated.

Can those thin lauan drums can sound good with good tuning and good heads? To me it doesn't sound bad, but I don't know much about drums...

Posted on 14 years ago
#3
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Yeah you got ripped off. Buyer beware...

Posted on 14 years ago
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From cccc

Can those thin lauan drums can sound good with good tuning and good heads? To me it doesn't sound bad, but I don't know much about drums...

Welcome to the Forum.

Most drums will sound good if they have decent bearing edges so you can tune them without that anoying buzz (I'm not talking about sympathetic buzzing = the buz the snare makes when you hit a tom etc.). I've made toy drums sound good. Also - if they're going to be miced and put through a soundboard you can pretty well make them sound the way you want. I knew a guy that recorded a "bass drum" by hitting the arm of a sofa chair - it sounded great. Just saying......look at the edges and take it from there.

Have fun with it. About the ripped off part - it's too bad about people that sell stuff dishonestly. Some know very well what they're doing - some just don't know much about what they're selling and sometimes that works in the buyers favour & sometimes not.

Good luck with the drums.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Hi. Yes, $500.00 is NOT a good deal at all. But you can't 100% blame the seller if you don't do your homework AHEAD of time. You should have come here, first, BEFORE you bought the drums.

If it's any consolation, many of us have been ripped off in similar ways. Join the club.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 14 years ago
#6
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GOOD NEWS! I recontacted the guy: he bought them 20 years ago sincerely thinking it was a Ludwig. He is ok to take the drums back and give me back my money.

But how much do you think is the real value of those drums? Instead of returning the drum, I will try to have some cash back, So how much do you think is it worth?

thanks

Posted on 14 years ago
#7
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You asked,...they gave,..obviously not worth what you paid (by your description) for them. Now you wanna make a buck on them !!

And I see your true colors shine`n through,... I see your true colors,... and that`s why I wrote this........

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 14 years ago
#8
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Seriously,...About,... $5,850.00.... American !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 14 years ago
#9
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I think he means to keep the drums and to receive a partial refund to be decided between himself and the seller.

Posted on 14 years ago
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