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Green Mystery Drum Last viewed: 34 seconds ago

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Cooper,

What are the #`s on the drum ?

I`m noticeing the batter headring has -zero clearance with the T-rods, the bottom appears correctly sized for headring. This could be made for metal headrings and helps date it !i

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From OddBall

Cooper, What are the #`s on the drum ?I`m noticeing the batter headring has -zero clearance with the T-rods, the bottom appears correctly sized for headring. This could be made for metal headrings and helps date it !i

That is because the batter head is a slightly oversized Aquarian Vintage head. The snare head is a standard Remo.

Posted on 12 years ago
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I removed the throw-off and it has no markings. Same with the butt plate. The throw-off is definitely a Slingerland. Upon closer examination, the shell is definitely solid maple with a decidedly Slingerland profile to the bearing edges. The tube lugs accept standard American tension rods.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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From relayer

Leedy, Slingerland and even Gretsch had throws like that. I think Carlton originated it though. I've got Carltons, Premiers and Ajaxs from the '30s, and it doesn't look like any of them, and they all have badges. I'm thinking it's a '20s drum, but the make is drawing a blank.Good luckStephen

Yes, I have seen 1930's Gretsch drums with Slingerland three point strainers (#967 Speedy Sure Hold Strainer"). They were first used on Slingerland drums in 1928. I have always thought that Slingerland made these strainers. Was someone else supplying them to Slingerland?Or did British companies copy them?

Posted on 12 years ago
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My only reservation, after further consideration, about it being a Slingerland is the placement of the grommet. It should be in the panel to the left of the throw if it were a Slingerland from the 20's. No?

There's no Leedy marking on the top of the adjustment knob of the throw off, huh? And is all this hardware brass?

Posted on 12 years ago
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From cooper

Yes, I have seen 1930's Gretsch drums with Slingerland three point strainers (#967 Speedy Sure Hold Strainer"). They were first used on Slingerland drums in 1928. I have always thought that Slingerland made these strainers. Was someone else supplying them to Slingerland?Or did British companies copy them?

I have an English collector friend whom I've bought several drums from, and he swears that the three point strainer of which we speak was first made by Carlton, and freely used or copied with their blessings. I've got the same strainer on a '30s Gretsch Broadkaster, and a Carlton Standard from the same period. Everybody assumes these are Slingerland throws, but I think their origins are fuzzy.

Stephen

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Mark, Thanks for looking for marking stamps.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From fishaa

My only reservation, after further consideration, about it being a Slingerland is the placement of the grommet. It should be in the panel to the left of the throw if it were a Slingerland from the 20's. No?There's no Leedy marking on the top of the adjustment knob of the throw off, huh? And is all this hardware brass?

Correct. However, I have never seen a Leedy drum use a three point strainer on any of their drums until the late 1950's.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From Gary N

Mark, Thanks for looking for marking stamps. The subtle differences between the English made 2pt and 3pt do exist. Thicker/thinner tension adjustment knob or the twist in the 2pt arm. Then the back markings. The 2pt Harry C. nailed in his book as "Premier" (for Rogers NJ era) that I've seen on nickel Grestch from the 30s too. The Carlton 3pt I needed to restore an old Rogers was found on a Rocket lug Gretsch in nickel and it had the same back Made In England stamp too. That is why I had to ask. I can say for sure that the NJ Rogers English 2pt throw offs weren't Leedy Presto like most think. Nor the 3pt throws aren't Made In Slingerland. I was told by Kalinsky that if English stamp must be Carlton. Subtle differences mentioned above would be Slingerland or Liberty. Your drum...I don't know but hope you find out who made those flat top tube lugs...and the drum! Again thanks for looking.

Thanks, Gary. I appreciate your insight. I'll continue the detective work and hopefully, this mystery will be solved!

Posted on 12 years ago
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From relayer

I have an English collector friend whom I've bought several drums from, and he swears that the three point strainer of which we speak was first made by Carlton, and freely used or copied with their blessings. I've got the same strainer on a '30s Gretsch Broadkaster, and a Carlton Standard from the same period. Everybody assumes these are Slingerland throws, but I think their origins are fuzzy.Stephen

Interesting. I wonder who designed the three point? Maybe I'll see if I can find the patent for it. That might shed some light on this. I always assumed Slingerland made the strainers in the late 20's and other companies either copied it or bought them from Slingerland. Hmmmmmm.....

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