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Thanks BUCKIE for valuable and well researched info! Double thumbs up!

From BUCKIE_B

The Rogers "bread'n'butter" chromed brass lugs are known for stress cracks and breakage; a result of several serious design flaws. The first and most serious flaw the choice of thin, malleable brass as the material for the lug casings. Then the use of a very tensile spring backing the threaded receiver applies too great an upward vertical pressure directly against the lug shell where the receiver passes through a thin small tight fitting hole allowing no real side to side movement. The lugs are fastened to the shells by screws passing through two thin, flat, soft brass tabs folded under and into place from the ends of the single thin sheets of brass during the manufacturing. If all calfskin heads are used with these lugs their survival rate is somewhat extended, but they simply are incapable of handling the tremendous pressures required to tension modern plastic heads. Either way it is rare indeed to see a vintage Rogers drum all original and completely intact. Their high failure rate is a result of terrible design and poor construction.

So you're solutions are, replace and accept the flaws or replace with different lugs.

Posted on 12 years ago
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JRichard: So you're solutions are, replace and accept the flaws or replace with different lugs.

Not only is this vintage of Rogers one of the most beautiful to the eye of all the drums ever made, but the shells are arguably the best wooden shells ever constructed! As I once overheard a drum dealer describe it: "The worst lugs ever made ... on the best shells ever made!"

If they were my drums I would contact the musician/machinist in Texas who manufactures the complete line of retro drawn brass Rogers lugs and spend whatever was necessary to replace all the lugs across the entire kit! It's worth the expense to have the coolest and best sounding drums on Earth! Soap Box

Posted on 12 years ago
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Buckie B - delightful insights and comments. I'm not saying you're wrong, but economics dictate another route for me. Further, I dabble in vintage auto restoration, and if anyone has had anything chrome plated recently, I wouldn't quibble with the prices of the steel version at all. Still, I can't afford it. I'm leaning towards trying the epoxy-putty based fixes clearly spelled out elsewhere, but wanted to try to see if any other insight has popped up on the issue more recently. Not to sound too picky, but I don't consider the result of that approach to be "fixing" the issue, merely stabilizing it. It appears they really can't be "fixed." Only made to work. They are beautiful though...

Posted on 12 years ago
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I have no experience with fixing Rogers lugs, but a couple of idea's for the problem come to mind.

Find someone that has been repairing car radators for years. He/She may be able to use a torch and copper braze a solid structure fix. What you need!!. They tend to be the best at working with thin material.

JB weld is pretty strong. Maybe mount the lugs a head and tension to tune and apply. At full stress it would fill the crack and not compress when the tension is removed. JB will somewhat stick to metal.

Suspect epoxy once cured will be to brittle and won't adhere well to the copper failing at some point after removing tension and re-tension in the normal head changing routine.

Great post Buckie_B, Thanks for that

Let us know what you find.

Creighton

Nothing special here but I like them.
Posted on 12 years ago
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Buckie B, very good info thanks for that.

The JB weld fix seems pretty good. Was reading about it on the Rogers forum recently and seems they are 5 years and counting under tension. It was mentioned someone was going to try fiberglass as a fix. I was thinking about maybe Kevlar cloth and resin might be stronger? Marine Tex is also a very good and strong 2 part epoxy and works very well. I'll be trying a few of these soon myself.

Glenn.

Not a guru just havin fun with some old dusty drums.
Posted on 12 years ago
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