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Does the playing history of a drum set affect value? Last viewed: 23 hours ago

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This may be a very naive question.

This 1960s Ludwig blue oyster pearl set was on stage with some pretty famous bands back in the King Curtis, J.C. Davis with little Charles Walker days...would that make a difference?

At one point J.C. Davis used to lead the James Brown Band.

The hardware at that point was a mix of Ludwig bass peddle, Rogers high hat stand and Ludwig cymbal stands...all cymbals were 1960s vintage.

At the time of this gig the drummer for King Curtis was Ray Lucas---a very talented fellow.

The extra set of drums shown on stage belonged to him---Gretch with a 20' BD.

This gig was 1964-65.

Sorry that the photos are not more clear.

OR does it really boil down to the set in question....without the history?

David

Posted on 13 years ago
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I doubt it will make a difference, unless someone out there is a special devotee of these musicians. Provenance also needs to be documented in some way: photos, testimonials, or a logo head. I think that special prices for a drumset may be reserved for the ultimate superstars, but probably not many others.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Good answer....thanks.

David

Posted on 13 years ago
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Well now, if'n I could interject, please...

IF ... one were to factor in that King Curtis toured with !The Beatles! and IF mr. Lucas was on drums at the time, along with any provenance that THAT kit was used on THAT tour, then YUP, that kit's value would jump quite a bit amongst Beatle collectors, I should think.

Back in the ealy '90's, I had a 15 year-old drum student (Nice kid. Reminded me of one of the ruffian Lollypop Kids from the Wizard of Oz.) Anyway, one lesson, he brought in a 7" BDP mint-condition LEEDY BROADWAY, calf heads and all!!!

Needless to say, I asked where the hell did THIS come from and he replied that his late uncle was in some old band in the '50's. His dad inherited the Broadway when the owner, his brother, bought the farm. I told the li'l fella it was awful cool and then he said the rest of the kit was at his house and he had some pics of it on gigs from the '50's.

He brought the pictures in the next week, including an 8x10 promo shot with that kit in it.

The band was BILL HALEY AND THE COMETS!!!!!!!!

If it could be proved that those drums were used to cut "Rock Around The Clock", arguably the first rock'n'roll song ever, then I wonder what their worth might be...

ETA- Oops, having reread the OP, I see that the kit happened to be onstage as a peripheral kit to the headliner's. Hmmm...still...to the right guy, yeah, it'd make a difference. How much is anybody's guess.

Posted on 13 years ago
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if there is provenance yes, here say no ,signatures ,timelines all work into it gary

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for your response tubwompus and jaghog.

Interesting story tubwompus.

We played the same club twice with the King Curtis band- two drum sets on stage and there was continuous music using a change tune as the two groups moved on and off stage.

A great experience playing with the Curtis band back in 64-65.

As a drummer ....Ray Lucas was probably one of the most interesting drummers that I have ever seen, he had a style and relaxed manner when he played.....and very very funky...with no effort at all.

I don't know if he is still alive. Very little info available about him.

I know that he worked with Roberta Flack on some of her albums.

The two photos below are the only ones I have of him.

I could kick myself for not taking photos of him back then.

The first photo shows Ray Lucas on drums with King Curtis on sax.

The second photo shows Ray standing on the right with Jimi Hendrix sitting in the center.

The third and fourth photos show the Isleys Brothers with Jimi Hendrix at a dance club where we were the house band.

Hendrix did not play many gigs in Canada back then (approx. 1965)

In the third photo Hendrix is to the left bending over.

The fifth photo shows our group at the 217 Club where The Isleys were playing....with the old Blue Oyster Pearl Ludwigs.

David

Posted on 13 years ago
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