Tommy - I found this video on You Tube, the guy plays it -exactly- the same way I do. (with the bass drum on 1 and the left hand comping in a kind of Swiss triplet feel between the ride and the snare.) He's a bit long-winded, but he breaks it down pretty well for anybody who wants to learn this groove.
Tell me if it sounds right to you...
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John
Tommy - I found this video on You Tube, the guy plays it -exactly- the same way I do. (with the bass drum on 1 and the left hand comping in a kind of Swiss triplet feel between the ride and the snare.) He's a bit long-winded, but he breaks it down pretty well for anybody who wants to learn this groove.Tell me if it sounds right to you...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7xeDntw_-YJohn
Holy cow. (says the beginning drummer)
Surrounded by drummers here! (I am a guitarist.) Welcome to the world of jazz drumming, Stephen! I'm not a jazzer, never have been, but each and every time I play to entertain myself, jazz is what comes out of me. It's simply some of the most musical drumming there is. Rock and funk have killer grooves, but for pure musicality, making 'music' on a set of drums, jazz drumming is where you have to go.
If you're patient, and you really, really want to be able to play on that level, to sound real good when you play, all it takes is time and practice. If you're willing to put in the work, one day, you'll sound just like the drummers you admire so much, or better.
How's that for motivation!
John
happy birth day Dave you'll always b remembered
If you're patient, and you really, really want to be able to play on that level, to sound real good when you play, all it takes is time and practice. If you're willing to put in the work, one day, you'll sound just like the drummers you admire so much, or better. How's that for motivation!
By the time I could play that... well... Joe and I will be doing a duet.
....but that's just me. ;)
Tommy - It's hard for me to write that stuff out in a post just using 'drum-speak' without notation. Did I write it out correctly to your eyes/ears? My only question has been about putting the bass drum hit on the 1. It 'sounds right' to my ears and I was hoping to check it out with someone who got it from Joe himself. Does the way it's written out below make sense to you? Again, without using actual notation, that kind of groove is hard to deconstruct and communicate to another drummer with just words and noises on a screen.Here it is in notation: Tell me if I have it right... (bass hit on 1, hats chick on 2 & 4)[IMG]http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n632/PurdieShuffle/takefive_small.gif[/IMG]JohnPS - Nice to have you around! You should spend more free time with us. You have a lot to share/offer... J
John!
Yes indeed... that is the basic pattern that JM plays for "Take Five"... bass drum/HH are in the correct spot, and the ride pattern is correct too.. however ..
The thing is, Joe played around this pattern like crazy. He really didn't just play the one pattern over and over, but everything he did play eminated from that basic 5/4. So that said, yes!... this would get anybody through the tune with ease. If one watches Joe closely, you can see that the HH doesn't always play 2 & 4... he alters it, and does the same for the ride pattern, but he always brings it back HOME here and there with the pattern you have shown above. In addition...
"Take Five" is really subdivided as a bar of 3 and a bar of 2, which of course equals 5! If one listens to Dave Brubeck comp, you can clearly HEAR how the 5/4 is subdivided: 123_12.. 123_12.. 123_12,.. and of course this is played/felt in JAZZ/SWING time.. hence the triplet feel. Whenever I have had to play thus tune.. ( and I have a number of times ) .. I base my pattern on the subdivision: 123_12... Simply a bar of 3/4 and a bar of 2/4, which really opens up the possibilities!, yet still allows for that percolating 5/4 feel. For the basic 5/4 feel though... you nailed it.
Tommyp
"Take Five" is really subdivided as a bar of 3 and a bar of 2, which of course equals 5! If one listens to Dave Brubeck comp, you can clearly HEAR how the 5/4 is subdivided: 123_12.. 123_12.. 123_12,.. and of course this is played/felt in JAZZ/SWING time.. hence the triplet feel. Whenever I have had to play thus tune.. ( and I have a number of times ) .. I base my pattern on the subdivision: 123_12... Simply a bar of 3/4 and a bar of 2/4, which really opens up the possibilities!, yet still allows for that percolating 5/4 feel. Tommyp
Wow!!. I'm not a reader, but this is exactly how I approached this song. Like, part waltz, with a round end. I'm a simpleton, so I have to feel it. You explained it niclely.
B
Thank you, Tommy!
Of course I don't repeat the pattern over and over as that would get old quickly. I just wanted to make sure I had the basic groove down. That 123/12 subdivision is why I always refer to that particular ride pattern as a 'waltz' - thinking about it like a waltz was how I was able to get the right feel into my head.
Good explaining! And thanks for the confirmation. I've had that question rattling around in my head for years...
JIM - Not as hard as you think... try it! You'll pick up some useful skills for drummers like, limb independence. Playing one pattern with the right hand and different patterns each with the left hand and feet. It'll open up the kit for you in ways you couldn't imagine now.
John
Thanks for the encouragement John... always good!
I work so hard on limb independence but it always feels like I'm climbing a sand hill.
"Take Five" itself is a great motivator (THANKS MR. Brubeck!)... I do love Jazz. My poor drum teacher used to get so mad at me.. "You swing everything... get on the beat!!" It wasn't intentional it just felt good.
My apologies to Glenn for taking the tribute thread off in another direction. It's just not often that I get to compare notes and ask questions of someone with Tommy's experience and knowledge.
Apologies for the hi-jack to my buddy Glenn... TommyP thank you for letting me pick your brain.
John
