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Camco vs DW- retrospect Last viewed: 10 hours ago

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Oh ya,

I`m inventing dual action hydrolic t-Rod actuators that pull the head down to the lug with brake fluid instead of turning screws. Then I`ll be the walk of the caulk !i

They`ll be so cool sit`n with my triple decker dual pedal HH !i

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 12 years ago
#11
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From Holliwood

Aging is only 1 factor but it's a HUGE factor in the sound.That's where that "warmth" is coming from.Of course LA Camco's sound like DW with more warmth.

Yes that's where the warmth is coming. I don't think you quite understand where I was coming from or that I just worded it poorly.

What I was trying to say is that the initial tone of the drum is there from the beginning. In most cases it will get warmer with age but the drum isn't going to drastically change to a completely different character in tone. That is why I was comparing LA Camco to DW as DW has that same tone quality but hasn't aged yet.

So basically what I was trying to say is that I highly doubt that when DW drums reach 40-50 years old they are going to suddenly change tone to sound like Oaklawn Camco. Austin Fibes on the other hand are already very warm sounding and are very close in tone to Camco IMO. Interesting too is that Fibes have a straight wall, no re-rings!

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 12 years ago
#12
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From DolFan54

What I was trying to say is that the initial tone of the drum is there from the beginning. In most cases it will get warmer with age but the drum isn't going to drastically change to a completely different character in tone. That is why I was comparing LA Camco to DW as DW has that same tone quality but hasn't aged yet.[COLOR="Red"]Agreed. The basic tone of the drum will be the same. It is after all, made into the drum. If it's an F snare, it always will be but that root note will become more prevalent and pure. Spurious overtones will fade and diminish. Sympathetic harmonics will intensify.[/COLOR] So basically what I was trying to say is that I highly doubt that when DW drums reach 40-50 years old they are going to suddenly change tone to sound like Oaklawn Camco. [COLOR="Red"]Nothing sudden about it. it took 40 or 50 years. Will they sound just like Oaklawns? NO, different drum. Will they sound alot more like Oaklawns? You bet!. They may even come to sound similar enuf to sound "related"[/COLOR] Austin Fibes on the other hand are already very warm sounding and are very close in tone to Camco IMO. Interesting too is that Fibes have a straight wall, no re-rings!

[COLOR="Black"]I get what yer sayin. Aren't the Fibes fglass?[/COLOR]

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Posted on 12 years ago
#13
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I really don't like the way DW 's sound. Just saying.

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1970 SS Badge, Blue Satin Flame 22,13,16
1962 Tangerine sparkle, Gretsch. 18, 12,14, 5x14
1960's/70's Slingerland 18,12,14 silver sparkle
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Posted on 12 years ago
#14
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From Holliwood

[COLOR="Black"]I get what yer sayin. Aren't the Fibes fglass?[/COLOR]

Original Fibes are either fiberglass (hence the name Fibes) or acrylic. Austin Fibes 1994- 200? are Jasper maple shells (around 2001 Fibes started making their own shells). They also started making acrylic drums again however the only fiberglass drums they produced were only snare drums

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 12 years ago
#15
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From vintagemore2000

Dw is far above what Camco made, Dw has Multiple shell configurations not just one like camco had, Dw's hardware is cutting edge and is leap years above what Camco had, Dw's uses a tighter or smaller thread count on their Tension Rods just pointing out only one of Dw's innovations.

didn't know this about DW's tension rod threading! thanks for sharing

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1972 ludwig vistalite clear 22/14/13/14 matching snare
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Posted on 12 years ago
#16
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From Drums008

I really don't like the way DW 's sound. Just saying.

I completely understand, especially with the collectors series. I've played lot's of collectors kits over the years in different situations and I'm not sure about them. But I swear to you my Jazzers are incredible. Maybe I got lucky and they're a one off. I know the kit was in their display room before I got them.

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40's Slingerland Radio King WMP
60's Ludwig Downbeat Silver Spark
70's Ludwig Super Classic White Marine
60's Gretsch RB Champaigne Spark
70's Rogers Big R Black
90's Sonor Hilite (Red maple)
00's DW Collectors Broken Glass
00's DW Jazz Series Tangerine Glass
10's DW Collectors (Acrylic) Matt Black Wrap
10's PDP Concept Wood Hoop kit (Maple)
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Posted on 12 years ago
#17
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From geckobeats

I completely understand, especially with the collectors series. I've played lot's of collectors kits over the years in different situations and I'm not sure about them. But I swear to you my Jazzers are incredible. Maybe I got lucky and they're a one off. I know the kit was in their display room before I got them.http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=56840&stc=1&d=1367398986

The Jazz series were suppose to sound like old RB Gretsch. I've never played a kit but from what you mentioned here it sounds like they hit their mark. Sadly they didn't embrace their own history of Camco. Doing 4 ply shells and winged badges would've been cool!

1957 George Way BDP 26" concert bass drum
1959 George Way BDP 22/12/16 w/ 5.5x14
1959 George Way Green Sparkle 22/12/16 w/5.5x14
1961 George Way Blue Sparkle 20/12/15
1961 George Way Jelly Bean 20/12/14 w/4.5x14
1960’s Camco Oaklawn Champagne 20/12/14/16w/5x14
1971-73 Camco Chanute Walnut 24/14/18 w/5x14 COB
Posted on 12 years ago
#18
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From DolFan54

The Jazz series were suppose to sound like old RB Gretsch. I've never played a kit but from what you mentioned here it sounds like they hit their mark. Sadly they didn't embrace their own history of Camco. Doing 4 ply shells and winged badges would've been cool!

Hehe I heard that as well but no way, well not comparing mine they're not!! My RB's are something else completely. Maybe DW used that sound as inspiration but in the case of my kit have missed that mark, but have happened on something else that is also Walking

A friend of mine played them recently and did say how they reminded him of his 80's Gretsch kit in a way, so maybe a bit of G in there somewhere.

40's Slingerland Radio King WMP
60's Ludwig Downbeat Silver Spark
70's Ludwig Super Classic White Marine
60's Gretsch RB Champaigne Spark
70's Rogers Big R Black
90's Sonor Hilite (Red maple)
00's DW Collectors Broken Glass
00's DW Jazz Series Tangerine Glass
10's DW Collectors (Acrylic) Matt Black Wrap
10's PDP Concept Wood Hoop kit (Maple)
Proud ambassador of the British Drum Company
Posted on 12 years ago
#19
Posts: 366 Threads: 75

What about Hayman drums? The lugs are very similar to camco/dw..

Posted on 12 years ago
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