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Adhesive usage in Vintage Drums

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Hello All:

I have been lurking here at Vintage Drum for a while and finally decided it was time to get off my rear and actually sign up. Before I get to the question I'd like to add a caveat: I'm not sure if this thread is more appropriate here or in the repair/restoration forum, but I'm giving it a shot here as it is a rather general question.

Having repaired and customized several vintage kits (mostly late 60's and 70's kits), i have seen at least two distinct category of adhesive used (i've only had to determine the adhesive type for 3 repairs none were serious so I didn't get down to any nitty gritty work on the adhesive):

1) On a circa '66 Slingerland the plys were laminated with hide glue.

2) On two kits with unidentifiable and beat up shells (possibly built in the mid 80's) used what I think was urea resin to laminate the plys.

Given that hide glue was the primary adhesive in the instrument building industry I assume that drum manufacturers used it before switching to modern adhesives.

FINALLY, THE QUESTION:

At what point did the big shell manufacturers make the switch away from hide glue?

My best guess would place this sometime in the mid '60s for most of the majors based on industry trends on a whole (Gibson guitars (the discount models) and Fender amps both switched to other adhesives by '67 AFAIK).

Again, its great to be here and hope to get some good discussion going.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I do alot of demo before re-modeling,..and found that homes from as early as the fifties had resins and adhesives in there construction. Alot of houseing projects designed for home comming troops and widowed wifes were built by Gov. contractors and engineers. I`ve learned from some older Master carpenters that after WWII the military released their formulas for resins and adhesives for commercial market. Organic glues are much easier to demo, such as lanolium floors or tiles and counter tops.

Most of the construction started in the late 40`s so I would guess a little earlier on the switch , like early to mid fifties.

Just my guess !!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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I read a post concerning the discontinuation of formaldahyde in glues which was believed to have contributed to the "sound" of the shells.Like oven stove tops get reaaaly hot along the door edge?,cause asbestos ONCE kept it nice n cool. . .

Posted on 14 years ago
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[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]JUST CURIOUS, was it maybe formaldehyde that gave "the old Ludwig smell?"[/FONT]Sumo Dude

Currently working on a 7 piece virgin double bass 3 ply early 70's Ludwig kit to be wearing....MOD ORANGE.
Posted on 14 years ago
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It was me that said the glue was discontinued because of the formaldehyde. I got that straight from the Yamaha rep at DCI. His exact quote was "We can't make drums like that anymore, that glue is illegal to use anymore.

Rock like a big dawg!
Posted on 14 years ago
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