#1 is earlier. You are correct with the date range of both.

Thanks for your input. I'm re-doing an April '64 Super Classic kit and am tempted to go with the earlier set. I'm awaiting delivery of the floor tom to verify what that has for mounts. If those are also the earlier style, I might try to keep them all uniform.

That's what I would do, too.

While authenticity is a good thing, keep in mind that the earlier mounts used a wing screw that smashed directly against the knurled area of the leg/cymbal arm/tom L post. From an engineering standpoint, it just didn't work very well. Really wore down the knurled section quickly and resulted in slippage of parts. For my money, I'd use the first generation brackets that used the eye-bolt. Come on, who's really going to know?!!!

Really? I didn't realize that! Well, in that case, what I would do, as long as the holes are the same, is use the later model ones that have the bolt with the hole through it, for working gigs, but keep the original ones off to the side for when (if) the day comes that you should ever want to sell to a collector. I don't think the brackets are all that expensive are they? In any case, whatever is original to the drum should stay with it, in my opinion. But there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of improved technology for working situations -as long as there is no drill involved! In this instance, there wouldn't be.

In addition to that, I think the newest versions of the brackets are still retrofittable and they have memory lock ability! I have been thinking about trying one of those on my Downbeat bass drum for the cymbal mount.

I think the ones made before the other ones are earlier.

Unless the other ones get to wherever they are going to before the earlier ones, which would then make the other ones the earlier ones.

And, I like my BLT sandwiches on un-toasted white bread...

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Yes...the hole pattern is the same for all the brackets! I like the first generation P-1216 bracket because it's built tough! While the second generation (and probably every version since) uses a 5/16" eye-bolt, the earlier version used a thinner 1/4" eye-bolt. Both eye-bolts are still designed for the standard 3/8" rod to pass through. However, those that use the larger bolt have gotten cheaper on the inside, which you can see. This is why the majority of newer style P-1216 brackets have elongated holes on one or both ends! When I need a P-1216, I'm very careful to buy the first generation. Excellent brackets!

a 64 drum would have had the first one shown. they were used transitionally until later in 65.

mike

Rob Cook's book says that the P-1672 was only produced for one year, 1961. They must ahve made a hell of a lot of them, 'cause they showed up on drums for a few years after that. I know they sometimes slip, but I like 'em, for some reason. I'm just careful to tighten them enough, but not too much....marko