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khmerali 06-21-2021 05:24 PM

Is this normal?
 
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When I was stripping down my Ludwig Auditorium to treat the shell with mahogany restore a finish I noticed that the bowtie lug wasn't centred (like I assumed it woud be). On the 6 1/2" deep shell, the top hole is 2 1/2" fron the edge and the bottom hole is just 2" from the edge.

Is this normal? I did notice it before when the head was on, but I put it down to being an old stretched reso head.

Can someone enlighten me?

idrum4fun 06-21-2021 09:07 PM

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Unfortunately, it is more common than you might think! I've got quite a few vintage snare drums exhibiting this issue! Most recently, I just did a complete detailing of a mid-60's Slingerland Deluxe Student snare drum and a 60's MIJ snare drum. The shells for both drums were drilled so the lugs are more towards the top! It really bothers my OCD! I need to take pictures and post them.

-Mark

idrum4fun 06-21-2021 09:17 PM

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Here's the drum in question... a beautiful 1964 Deluxe Student in a rare Sparkling Green Pearl wrap! Check out the top/bottom spacing of the lugs!

-Mark

khmerali 06-22-2021 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by idrum4fun (Post 468348)
Unfortunately, it is more common than you might think! I've got quite a few vintage snare drums exhibiting this issue! Most recently, I just did a complete detailing of a mid-60's Slingerland Deluxe Student snare drum and a 60's MIJ snare drum. The shells for both drums were drilled so the lugs are more towards the top! It really bothers my OCD! I need to take pictures and post them.

-Mark

Thanks - but is there a reason for it? Is it just an error or is there a sonic reasoning behind it? If it was an error then surely differnt lugs would be spaced differently. Or did someone in the factory in 1959 drill the first hole in the wrong place then need to follow through with the other holes?

khmerali 06-22-2021 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by idrum4fun (Post 468349)
Here's the drum in question... a beautiful 1964 Deluxe Student in a rare Sparkling Green Pearl wrap! Check out the top/bottom spacing of the lugs!

-Mark

Nice drum - this one is more aligned to the batter head!?! There must be a reason!!!!!

(can you tell this is bothering me!?!)

idrum4fun 06-22-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by khmerali (Post 468356)
Nice drum - this one is more aligned to the batter head!?! There must be a reason!!!!!

(can you tell this is bothering me!?!)

Yes, it's a beautiful drum...even with the misaligned lugs! To answer your question, there is really no other reason than just pure mistake! All the shells were drilled on a jig and little attention seems to have been paid as to accuracy of placement. In the same respect, I've got plenty of snare drums that should measure 5.5" in depth, but can actually range anywhere from a little over 5" to a bit over 5.5". I just never understood how the depths were so off from drum to drum! Most of these drilling jigs were set up for a 5.5" shell, but when the shell was a different depth, the lug placement from top to bottom wasn't changed.

Another recent addition to my Slingerland Deluxe Student snare drum collection is a beautiful example wrapped in Light Blue Pearl. The shell should be 5.5" deep, but is only 5" deep. It's very noticeable when compared to my other snare drums. Fortunately, this drum was properly drilled to center the lugs on the 5" deep shell. I'll try to get some pictures posted!

-Mark

khmerali 06-22-2021 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by idrum4fun (Post 468357)
Yes, it's a beautiful drum...even with the misaligned lugs! To answer your question, there is really no other reason than just pure mistake! All the shells were drilled on a jig and little attention seems to have been paid as to accuracy of placement. In the same respect, I've got plenty of snare drums that should measure 5.5" in depth, but can actually range anywhere from a little over 5" to a bit over 5.5". I just never understood how the depths were so off from drum to drum! Most of these drilling jigs were set up for a 5.5" shell, but when the shell was a different depth, the lug placement from top to bottom wasn't changed.

Another recent addition to my Slingerland Deluxe Student snare drum collection is a beautiful example wrapped in Light Blue Pearl. The shell should be 5.5" deep, but is only 5" deep. It's very noticeable when compared to my other snare drums. Fortunately, this drum was properly drilled to center the lugs on the 5" deep shell. I'll try to get some pictures posted!

-Mark

Yes the jig being set up for the more standard 5 1/2" drum would make sense.

Thanks Mark

idrum4fun 06-22-2021 07:13 PM

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Here are two more examples of shell depth. The White Marine Pearl drum has a date stamp of Apr 65, while the Light Blue Pearl drum is date stamped Apr 66. The WMP shell is 5.5", while the LBP shell is 5". At least the person drilling the shells got the lug locations correct for each shell!

-Mark

Dan Boucher 06-23-2021 05:13 AM

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Interesting topic and photos. Having mostly had Rogers drums, that is one issue I haven't run across (though Rogers had their issues too).

longjohn 06-30-2021 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by idrum4fun (Post 468349)
Here's the drum in question... a beautiful 1964 Deluxe Student in a rare Sparkling Green Pearl wrap! Check out the top/bottom spacing of the lugs!

-Mark

Mark ..that green sparkle is a beautiful drum indeed... but to me it appears that maybe?? the badge may be centre'd but it's the lugs are not ?? I am just looking at the tension screw threading,,, ?

Cheers Mate..

idrum4fun 06-30-2021 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Boucher (Post 468366)
Interesting topic and photos. Having mostly had Rogers drums, that is one issue I haven't run across (though Rogers had their issues too).

Hi Dan!

I think you are correct in regards to Rogers! I've never noticed any lug misalignment on any of my wood-shell snare drums!

-Mark

idrum4fun 06-30-2021 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by longjohn (Post 468470)
Mark ..that green sparkle is a beautiful drum indeed... but to me it appears that maybe?? the badge may be centre'd but it's the lugs are not ?? I am just looking at the tension screw threading,,, ?

Cheers Mate..

John!

Your observations really got me thinking about this...and I had no choice but to pull the heads and check things out!!

Here's what I found; the shell is, in fact, almost perfectly 5.5" in depth all the way around. The lugs and badge are offset 1/8" upward toward the batter edge! Both solid maple re-rings are 1" in depth. However, the real culprit is the batter head that came with the drum. Due to the deep collar, the batter head is almost 1/4" higher than the snare-side head! That adds up to the batter hoop sitting about 1/4" lower on the shell than the snare-side head. Now my OCD is really causing issues! I have a later 60's Slingerland "Tom" batter head that I'll swap. The only difference between "Tom" and "Orchestra" batters was a rough coating for brush work. The "Tom" head is smooth white. I'll snap some more pictures after I reassemble the drum!

-Mark

idrum4fun 06-30-2021 11:00 AM

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Here's the "improved" drum! The side-by-side comparison of the heads show they are now almost the same collar height. The "Tom-Tom" batter is on the left. The final results look pretty good in regards to lug offset! A big shout-out to member longjohn for shaming me into doing this!! All kidding aside, I'm glad I made the head swap. I can sleep better now! LoLoLoLo

-Mark

longjohn 07-04-2021 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by idrum4fun (Post 468475)
Here's the "improved" drum! The side-by-side comparison of the heads show they are now almost the same collar height. The "Tom-Tom" batter is on the left. The final results look pretty good in regards to lug offset! A big shout-out to member longjohn for shaming me into doing this!! All kidding aside, I'm glad I made the head swap. I can sleep better now! LoLoLoLo

-Mark

Mark,, sorry about that... I have some OCD too.. I have been playing around with a 70's sound king shell that I repaired dents, then sprayed the inner silver coating, put a replacement throw & butt on. The batter side stick saver was beat up.. so I replaced it with a NOS engraved hoop from John Ollis... but the hoop it sits low on the shell too .. I almost run out of thread in order to tension it up... In my case it's a modified player & sounds brilliant.. but looks a bit off... Any how your great green sparkle looks even better now....LoLoLoLo

Cheers... & Happy 4th of July to all of you US guys...,

John


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