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Is this a Supraphonic or a Super Ludwig Snare? Last viewed: 3 hours ago

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As I sell off all my snares, I pick just a few to remain. This one is a keeper.

I pulled it apart today to detail it and I am wondering what it really is. Here is the information from Rob Cook's Ludwig book.

Pre-serial number badge (not bent in the middle) (1960 -mid 1962)

Aluminum shell 1961- x

Brass Counterhoops (x - 1964

Here's a clincher... deep crimp snare bed (I think). The book says, "This in itself does not signify a brass shell, as the first few aluminum-shell models were also given this crimped snare bed."

So, this would really narrow it down to early 1961.

Baseball Bat muffler with red felt. (1961 - 1964)

The lugs are the newer style. Lots of changes in the imperial lugs but probably sometime early 60's.

Now, we come out of the early 60's into late 1965....

The lugs are attached with a combination that is not shown in the book. They are the small bell washers used from 1963 to late 1965 but the hex head bolts that are used were not used until late 1965.

I'm not sure what else to say. It would appear that the shell was made in 1961 and the badge was installed. Then, it sat in stock until late 1965 when they used up some old washers combined with the new hex head bolts and installed the newer lugs.

So, the shell was made around 1961 and the drum was assembled in late 1965.

The Supraphonic wasn't introduced until 1963 so.......

Is it real or is it memorex? Even though the shell is a Super Ludwig, the drum was built after 1963 and probably sold as a Supraphonic.

So, I guess I would call this a Supra, not a Super Ludwig.

I know one thing, I sure like the way it sounds. I'll post some pics of the finished product after I wax it and re-assemble it.

Posted on 11 years ago
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You could always take a small round file to one of the holes and see if the shavings look brass. You wouldn't need to file very much to accomplish this. Is there any pitting in the shell?

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Posted on 11 years ago
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IMO if it's the seamless aluminum shell that makes it a Supraphonic despite the crimped beds (which many of the pre-serial aluminum Supras did have). I have one myself and I consider it to be an early Supra rather than a late Super. The Super was cataloged specifically as having a brass shell, the Supra was cataloged as having a "metal" shell.

A lot of stuff falls between the cracks on the catalogs since there was sometimes a year or two between printings. Rob's book isn't necessarily 100% accurate either (maybe 99% though, he does good work).

Posted on 11 years ago
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It's definitely not the brass shell. There is a visible seam in the brass shells. This is spun aluminum with no visible seam. The shell is pretty clean with very minor flakes and some corrosion that came off with Brasso polish.

KO, you are right. The Super was sold specifically as a brass shell with a seam. The Supra was simply "metal" but it was advertised as "seamless"

So, that definitely makes this a Supra.

Thanks

Posted on 11 years ago
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Got this all nice and pretty. I really really like the sound of this snare. Small wonder it's as popular as it is.

Thanks for the help in identifying it.

Posted on 11 years ago
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no serial number on the badge?

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Nope. That is why I figure the shell was made '60 - '62 and the drum was assembled and sold closer to '63 - '64.

Posted on 11 years ago
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My Supra is identical to this one. Crimped beds, red felt baseball bat, no serial number badge and very minimal pitting. Purchased in 1963.

Posted on 11 years ago
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Is yours an aluminum shell, also?

Posted on 11 years ago
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Kapper - Have you weighed the shell? Weight is the tell-all. Brass will weigh in at 7 lbs. or so, stripped down. Aluminum shell will be 2 lbs. lighter, weighing in at around 5 lbs. stripped down.

Is it a 'heavy' drum?

John

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Posted on 11 years ago
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