Well, I so bad wanna call this a slingy professional,
1) Sea green pearl......available.
2) Strainer with replaced throw arm......common, not rare.
3) Similar bearing edges..... Normal.
4) Solid shell......Normal.
5) Someone ordered it this way...Slingerland improvised often.
but I wont, it still could have been made by Frank Norman Stein !i
Cooper,
Do you have any other drums with stick throws on them to compare the arm`s contours to ?
Well, I so bad wanna call this a slingy professional, 1) Sea green pearl......available. 2) Strainer with replaced throw arm......common, not rare. 3) Similar bearing edges..... Normal. 4) Solid shell......Normal. 5) Someone ordered it this way...Slingerland improvised often.but I wont, it still could have been made by Frank Norman Stein !iCooper, Do you have any other drums with stick throws on them to compare the arm`s contours to ?
Yes, I have several late 20's Slingerland strainers and this one looks identical. The arm I put on this one is from a 1940's throw-off. The design of extension arms did not really change from 1928 until the 1950's. Usually, they have Slingerland patent markings on them.
Interesting. I wonder who designed the three point? Maybe I'll see if I can find the patent for it. That might shed some light on this. I always assumed Slingerland made the strainers in the late 20's and other companies either copied it or bought them from Slingerland. Hmmmmmm.....
This might be one of those things where you had to be there to know the real story. If you find anything out, please share it with us. I really hope you can find out what make of drum yours is. It's really got me stumped. It's a great looking drum no matter what it turns out to be.
Good luck.
Stephen
According to DrCJW, Slingerland offered solid 1-ply maple shells from 1934 to 1964.
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As was originally noted, the strainer does appear to be Slingerland from 1928 to 1934.
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Sea Green Pearl was in the 1930-1933 Slingerland catalog.
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Sea Green Pearl was not in the 1940 Slingerland catalog.
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The 1936 catalog shows the "top of the line" drums using the new cast lugs and not tube lugs.
The hoops are "L-shaped" or double flange, which were offered on the Defiance Snare seen here:
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Based on the catalog pictures and descriptions, The Artist had a Triple flange type hoop that extends over the flesh hoop. In 1936, the Professional models were not available in Pearl finishes, but they did use double flange hoops.
Based on the shell being 1-ply maple with maple re-rings, the strainer style and the wrap color ... I would say this is between 1933 and 1935. That's if it is even a Slingerland. :D
The vent hole just above the butt-end, the original bake-lite grommet, flat-sided balls on the lugs and no badge are still a mystery.
Please correct me if any of my research is incorrect.
-Tim
According to DrCJW, Slingerland offered solid 1-ply maple shells from 1934 to 1964.[INDENT]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/drcjw/article_3_shells2.html[/INDENT]As was originally noted, the strainer does appear to be Slingerland from 1928 to 1934.[INDENT]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/drcjw/article_5_strainers_3point-1.html[/INDENT]Sea Green Pearl was in the 1930-1933 Slingerland catalog.[INDENT]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/catalogs/slingerland/1930_slingerland_14_th.jpg[/INDENT]Sea Green Pearl was not in the 1940 Slingerland catalog.[INDENT]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/finishes/slingerland/1940_slingerland_thumb.jpg[/INDENT]The 1936 catalog shows the "top of the line" drums using the new cast lugs and not tube lugs.The hoops are "L-shaped" or double flange, which were offered on the Defiance Snare seen here:[INDENT]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/catalogs/slingerland/1930_slingerland_4_th.jpg[/INDENT]Based on the catalog pictures and descriptions, The Artist had a Triple flange type hoop that extends over the flesh hoop. In 1936, the Professional models were not available in Pearl finishes, but they did use double flange hoops.Based on the shell being 1-ply maple with maple re-rings, the strainer style and the wrap color ... I would say this is between 1933 and 1935. That's if it is even a Slingerland. :DThe vent hole just above the butt-end, the original bake-lite grommet, flat-sided balls on the lugs and no badge are still a mystery.Please correct me if any of my research is incorrect.-Tim
The Artist models had "double" flanged hoops. Triple would be modern day style hoops.
Sea Green was available from 1928 until 1938.
Adrian Kirchler sent me a 1935 Carlton catalog that shows a very similar drum and the option of "greenwood pearl". However, I still am not convinced this drum is European. Thanks for posting.
This might be one of those things where you had to be there to know the real story. If you find anything out, please share it with us. I really hope you can find out what make of drum yours is. It's really got me stumped. It's a great looking drum no matter what it turns out to be.Good luck.Stephen
Thanks, Stephen. I'll continue to post anything I find out.
what a rare beautiful drum. after 4 pgs, really not positively id'd. judging by the response, a green drum thread might be nice. I can add to that. that's a great snare you have
what a rare beautiful drum. after 4 pgs, really not positively id'd. judging by the response, a green drum thread might be nice. I can add to that. that's a great snare you have
Thank you. Yes, thread on green drums would be great!
The Artist models had "double" flanged hoops. Triple would be modern day style hoops. Sea Green was available from 1928 until 1938.Adrian Kirchler sent me a 1935 Carlton catalog that shows a very similar drum and the option of "greenwood pearl". However, I still am not convinced this drum is European. Thanks for posting.
Was that the black one with all the scribbles on it finnish ?
The Artist models had "double" flanged hoops. Triple would be modern day style hoops.
I agree. The hoops on the Artist model were a triple flange "type", but not your typical modern day triple flange style.
I though double flange has one bend or two angles. Like an "L". Still a stick chopper top edge.
The triple flange "type" I was talking about still has the stick chopper top edge, but there are two bends or three angles on the hoop. The additional angle wraps around the flesh hoop.
Here is an example:
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-Tim
