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From Fuse

Ludwig made a Jazzette model for quite a while, and the dimensions didn't change until 1980 when they went with a larger bass drum. As well, you could get a lacquer finish from 1967 (the first year they were made, I think) through at least 1973. So...how rare could they be? I mean, Ludwig's main consumer base wasn't jazz drummers, so they were likely never an ultra-popular kit. But if someone hadn't been buying them, Ludwig would've quit making them.When I think of something as "rare," I think about it in terms there never having been a lot of them to begin with. That's really not the case with the Jazzette. My guess is that people who own Jazzettes just don't sell them very often, and when they do, they don't sell them on Ebay. That doesn't make them rare. And no offense intended to anyone, but it sure doesn't make them worth $8,000.

No offense taken. It's just your opinion that it's not worth $8K. My opinion is that it is worth it.

Ludwig "offered" the Jazzette but that didn't mean they were rolling them off the assembly line. Distributors would order them (or not) and then the drums for the kits were pulled and assembled. Jazzettes did not get ordered very often for exactly the reason you describe -Ludwig wasn't the bop drummer's drum set. However, in order to be competitive, each of the "Big Four" manufacturers had to offer kits that covered the spectrum of needs for drummers.

You could be right, Maybe there are a bunch of perfect Jazzette kits sitting in collections. It is, however, interesting that, in over a decade of looking around for them and scouring the world wide web across the globe...drum discussion forums...thousands of drummers who know drummers, etc. I've only been able to find out about a handful of them. It sure seems like someone would have at least been talking about them. In my experience, though, there aren't even that many rumors about them! My feeling is that there aren't very many Jazzettes out there at all because very few were ever sold....even though the configuration was offered for quite awhile.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Correct me please if I err, but isn't it in one of the Ludwig books ... a comment to the fact that they did not sell many Jazzettes. I seem to recall reading that.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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production at that time was 50 sets a month in 65 for ludwig i dont se it getting much more that in67

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
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Posted on 13 years ago
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As ever, it's worth what someone is prepared to pay. And if it does sell for the asking price then I also think it would be disingenuous to use the old "there's always some idiot prepared to pay up" argument because i figure if someone has $8k to spend and buys this Jazzette then i'd say they are not a novice and probably know what they're doing.

@fuse - I think your point about production numbers would only be useful if you knew the actual numbers. One could just as easily argue back that maybe Jazzettes accounted for .1% of production - it's pure speculation. I also think that of all the places to find a bunch of Jazzette examples, it would be here, where the enthusiasts hang out. Finding 6 or 7 Jazzette kits on a vintage drum website can't reliably be used to illustrate how common they are - that might be all there is, period.

Andrew

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Nice thread with passionate discussion!

Ever watch "Antiques Road Show"? It would be great to see the owner bring the Jazzette to those people for appraisal. My guess is they would push the price past $10,000 given the era, rarity and heritage.

Its about time that the vintage drum market saw the same success as the vintage guitar market. Try to buy a rare vintage Les Paul, Fender or Rickenbaucher in top condition for under $10,000. Some of the best vintage guitars go for over $75,000. Why shouldn't some of the best vintage drum kits command decent prices for representing the finest of their era and heritage? I think the owner is trying to establish this by setting the price he set. I hope he gets it. A sale like that would certainly make us all sit up and take notice as well as give us hope respecting the market we deal in.

Cheers!

-kellyj

"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing..."
Posted on 13 years ago
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@fuse - Have you seen how many Faberge eggs pop up with a google search:) Faberge eggs sell for many millions so I don't think my perspective is out by that much. A fairer comparison would be to mass produced fender guitars as kellyj suggests. And if you can buy a Van Gogh for $8k...

I'm not suggesting that this kit will sell for the seller's asking price (it might though) but I just thought the arguments for why it wasn't worth the money were flawed. If I'm seeing the same 2 kits you refer to, one was a re-wrap and the other was "refinished" at some point.

Andrew

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Posted on 13 years ago
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I will say this for the fabled Jazzette kit, it sure does get the crowd pumped up! Party This is 50 posts deep and still going strong! I recalled another thread that completely dissected every possible incarnation of a jazzette, and then some, so I thought I would post the link. Between the two threads, a wikipedia article could be written! I don't presume to name a value but the mere fact that this particular configuration draws so many responses, every time it is brought up, tells me that it is a crowd favorite and will bring more do-re-mi than other vintage kits of the same era.

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=11977 (the link to the other thread)

toodles

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Let me add my :2Cents: here......of the kit in question...if it was MY old kit finished in black panther, I would spend that money....any amount of money to get it back. I let it go years ago when I was young & stupid, and regret it to this day. So would someone pay $8k for a Jazzette? The answer is YES! I would! Again, IF it was MY old kit. Would I pay that for THIS kit? No. Why? Its not my old kit. :D Kleening

Posted on 13 years ago
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From Fuse

I think you're missing my point here. I'm not comparing a Jazzette to a Faberge egg or a Van Gogh. In fact, I'm saying the exact opposite--that Jazzettes are nothing like Faberge eggs or Van Gogh paintings. They are like mass produced Fender guitars (which are also being highly over-valued at this point). A Jazzette is a delightful set of drums, but it isn't a one-of-a-kind, handmade work of art. It's a factory-made object from the late 1960s, and it wasn't even Ludwig's top of the line. So where is all this mythical value coming from? It's coming from sellers who are artificially inflating the prices to make buyers think the sets are more valuable than they are. They aren't reflecting the market; they're creating it by giving us the illusion of demand. And ultimately, that's a bad deal for everyone involved, especially members of a vintage collecting community.

It read like your point was that a Jazzette is not a Van Gogh or a Faberge egg worth millions so therefore it can't be worth $8k. I know you are saying that a Jazzette is not a one off, handmade work of art and i get that but i'm not sure anyone was suggesting anything different. Many, many collectibles are factory produced but we are talking $8k not $8m in this case.

Often the most collectible items are the ones that weren't popular in their day hence so few were produced. I have a 60s Vespa that was a sales flop in it's day. Production was limited as a result and many of the unsold frames/engines etc were shipped to this part of the world where we'd take what we could get. It is now one of the most sought after Vespas worldwide and the values reflect this. It's not the best Vespa ever made but it is one of the most valuable.

Andrew

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Posted on 13 years ago
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How about the Ford Edsel as flop that has become such a collectible...

"It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing..."
Posted on 13 years ago
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