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Old 06-10-2014, 05:59 PM
adevan adevan is offline
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Default ID Regular Hardwhite Wood Leather Drum?

Hi Everyone,

Can you help me identify this drum? My husband's grandfather's family is from the United Kingdom and he said it was from the War of 1812. Is this possible?

Thanks!
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:40 PM
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With the help of Ellis Mirsky, I think I've answered my own question. It is an English drum built by Henry Potter. On the inside it reads,
“H. POTTER
No. 2, BRIDGE STREET,
WESTMINSTER,
Real Manufacturer of
BASS, TENOR, SIDE, AND KETTLE
DRUMS,
TO HER MAJESTY’S OFFICE OF
ORDNANCE, & BRIGADE OF GUARDS
IN WOOD, BRASS, COPPER, or SILVER.”

What year do you think this was made? How valuable is the drum? Thanks!
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:54 PM
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Default Re: ID Regular Hardwhite Wood Leather Drum?

With the Address from the label.. will be a later drum..

Here's some info on the Potter family...
Make sure that you google up Henry.... NOT HARRY..

Cheers
John

Henry Potter was just one of many flutemakers working in London in the middle of the 19th century. Not as famous as Nicholson, Rudall & Rose, Boehm or Pratten, he is often confused with the earlier but seemingly unrelated William Henry Potter. Although Henry died on 31 August 1876, his company continued under his name until 1950.

Henry Potter was born in 1810 (the same year as John Clinton) into a family with a solid musical background. Henryís father Samuel Potter (1772 - 1838) had enlisted in the Coldstream Guards at the age of 14 in 1786, and eventually by 1815 had risen to the rank of Regimental Drum Major. Samuel completed 30 years service with the Guards and resigned from the army in 1817 to set up a workshop located in King Street, Westminster for the purpose of making drums and wind instruments. Samuel seems to have concentrated on instruments with a military band connotation, such as drums, bugles, fifes, horns and trumpets. He actually wrote several published treatises, one being a method for playing the fife (1815) and the other being a manual for drums, fifes and bugles (1817).

Samuelís son Henry (1810 Ė 1876) presumably learned about instrument making from his father, and continued the business after his fatherís death in 1838. By 1841 he was well established as his fatherís successor, with premises at 2 Bridge Street, Westminster. He continued in his fatherís footsteps as regards the making of military instruments, but appears to have had a strong interest in flute making as well. Clearly he must have quickly built up a good reputation as a flute maker, since otherwise it is inconceivable that John Clinton would have entrusted the manufacture of the early Clinton-system flutes to him, in particular the 1851 Exhibition model. Henry Potter remained in the instrument business all his life, and his company remained active until around 1950.
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Old 06-11-2014, 10:00 AM
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Adevan,

Forum member Matt from CT Pro Percussion is a good authority on rope tensioned drums. Let's see if he'll chime in here. Nice drum. I think I've seen that tack pattern before.

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Old 06-11-2014, 08:21 PM
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If the dates cited by longjohn are accurate then the drum could not be from the the war of 1812. If you had Ellis Mirsky look at the drum then I am sure you will get some good information, he has a very good network of knowledgeable people.

Do you have a size on the drum? Depth? Diameter of the head? Does it appear to be in round? What are you looking to do with it?

the Hard White head is a Leedy head that appears to be from the 1940's (ish) so isn't original to the drum.

I had this drum come through my shop a few years back and the facing on it was traced back to the 3rd New Jersey British Militia according to the museum that now has possession of it.



I couldn't help but notice the similarity in the tack design. The drum was dated to the Revolutionary war. the one big difference in the tack pattern would be the additional line of tacks to the right because this drum was held together with the tacks and not glue. Cooperman drums calls it the "Kings Landing" tack pattern.


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Old 06-12-2014, 02:16 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the info!

It's round, diameter of head is about 16 inches, height is about 18 inches. It has some sort of tassel hanging from the top side (IMG_7142).

If it is very valuable, we may consider selling it (but would have to clear that with my husband's grandpa first) or if not very valuable, we will keep and display it.

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Old 06-12-2014, 02:26 PM
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P.S. I talked to my husband's grandpa again to confirm his memories of the drum. He said the drum is from the Battle of Waterloo, which occurred in 1815. I told him that I didn't think that was possible given the writing on the inside label, but he still insisted it was from the Battle of Waterloo. When asked how he came to own it, he said his grandfather in England owned it and had no idea how his grandfather came to own it. His grandfather was William Bathurst (b. Oct 1858 Leominster, Herefordshire, England; d. 9 Jan 1915 Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota).
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Old 06-12-2014, 02:44 PM
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Thanks to everyone for the info!

It's round, diameter of head is about 16 inches, height is about 18 inches. It has some sort of tassel hanging from the top side (IMG_7142).
Adevan,

That's not a tassel. Those are the snares, and that's the bottom of the drum, not the top. This drum has probably been reroped many times in it's life, and is likely not in its original configuration. Nice historical piece.

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Old 06-12-2014, 05:19 PM
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Seems that the Potter Company is back in business... so may be the best people to talk to about the worth of this drum..

http://www.henrypotter.co.uk/instruments-percussion.htm

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Old 06-12-2014, 09:39 PM
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Thanks, John. I've tried to email them, but my email is returned with the error "mailbox full". I might have to send them snail mail to get my answers...
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