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There are still quite a few members here who question Pooder's success and all his IDs.

I have mentioned bits and pieces of this in the past. Thought I might spell it out for ease of understanding.

If you are running a business and need to put up numbers to establish credibility, on ebay, it's an investment in marketing.

Follow me ...

1) In order to establish your company as a power seller with great feedback, you need high numbers of items sold and with positive feedback.

2) If this is a true company that wants to bypass most all of the legal trappings that the IRS and such have put out, you would select eBay and pretend you are a single man outfit run out of your home.

3) As in all successful companies, a marketing budget is established at the outset as one tier of the successful model.

4) Establish several user IDs to bid on your own auctions.

5) Said IDs are blocked by outsiders and only come up as veiled individuals with no concrete method of tracking.

6) Run LOTS of small auctions with small eBay fees attached and bid/win said auctions with use of your dummy accounts.

6) Take negligible small auction eBay fee out of marketing funds.

7) Leave positive feedback for main selling account.

Note - as business grows, larger items can be absorbed by larger marketing budget.

Result - High positive feedback numbers established quickly with small marketing investment.

Consider, auctions run at higher than market value.

Several hundred (eventually thousands) false completed transactions give real buyers a false sense of security and a false worth of items ... real buyers purchase items at higher than market worth.

Negative feedback PERCENT impact is rendered minimal due to false high number of positives.

High percent positive feedback ... High number of completed transactions at high market value ... High sense of security for overseas and local buyers ... Increase business by deep market penetration.

The more you have for sale, the more completed transactions, the more positive feedback, ... the more people will turn to you for business.

It's a pretty smart business model. For a small investment, you get huge market penetration and a very large share, while skirting the usual legal and fiscal walls of other small businesses.

Take all that and continue it for YEARS ... and establish multiple seller IDs as you continue to grow. Now you're talking about trying to corner the market.

That's the path I believe Pooder has taken. He's not great at it, but he has established some success.

What Would You Do
Posted on 12 years ago
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There has been a 'Yuppification' of the English language in the sense that meanings have been clouded simply by using less upsetting terms. What you call a; "business plan" is what we have always called "a scam." I grew up in Manhattan, I have seen it all... twice. This is the kind of thing wise-guys get involved in. Grey areas of the economy. I knew one guy that used to run an ad in the sports section of the Daily News on the racing page advertising; 'Beat The Horses!' Send $1.00 to: and then a P.O. box address was provided. Thousands of people would put a dollar into an envelope and mail it, hoping to get the 'secret' to winning at the track. The guy would send them back a tiny novelty 'whip' (a toothpick with some string,) and even with the price of whips, stamps and envelopes, he made out like a champ. SCAM. You don't get what you pay for. Pooder is just another 'wise-guy' operating in grey areas, avoiding taxes and regulations, and charging three times the actual value of the items he sells. The only thing I'm impressed with is; how many suckers he actually finds willing to pay those grossly inflated prices.

A scam is a scam, is a scam. Call it a 'viable business plan' if you like, it'll always be an old-fashioned rip-off scam to me.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

A scam is a scam, is a scam. Call it a 'viable business plan' if you like, it'll always be an old-fashioned rip-off scam to me.

You misunderstand ... BIG TIME. I am not in any way shape or form soft-selling what this mook has been doing. I chose the words 'business plan' to make it more understandable and paletable to the members of this forum. It is a less incendiary phrase than 'scam'. I did this for a higher purpose - I did not wish to start yet another 'Pooder Sux' thread. Instead, I wanted this to remain informative with clarity as the guiding principle. My hope is this will in some way bring illumination to many of the stunned reactions the members continue to post here.

Hope that clears it up just a tad.

... for the record, my last name is Nicolosi ... second generation American (from Nicolosi, Sicily at the foot of Mt. Etna) ... I get the whole scam thing. Just trying to rise above and speak with a bit more clarity and resonance.

What Would You Do
Posted on 12 years ago
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RogerSling,

I appreciate what you posted, and understand what you're trying to accomplish. Good job!

Anyway, it all reminds me of my ex son-in-law. He was always looking for that get rich quick nugget. He got into eBay for awhile a couple of different times, various items for sale (never drums!). His prices were always sky-high. One of my boys point-blank asked him how he thought he'd ever sell his stuff at such inflated prices. His reply was that all he needed was a couple of suckers... this time for sure I was glad this marriage didn't last!

Yes, there are those out there using eBay and whatever else they think they can troll around and catch a sucker or two... but please remember there are at least a few of us eBay sellers that aren't thay way...

Bill

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(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 12 years ago
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So this place is a site to go to pertainning to Vintage Drums, and learn how not to be that SUCKER !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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Posted on 12 years ago
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> You misunderstand ... BIG TIME.

No, I don't think so. You use terms like 'business plan' and then it turns out that 'the plan' is composed of utilizing intentional deception, shill bidding, artificial inflation of prices and just plain dishonesty. That is not a "business plan" in my book. Everything you described is a road map for setting up and operating a large scale scam operation. Based completely on deception and slight of hand. I'm not objecting to your post at all, it accurately describes how Pooder's "business" is set up and maintained. My objection is to having such an operation called a business at all. It is what it is, a scam. Just sayin' - nothing personal was intended or implied. Just my opinion about your choice of words/terms. You dignify it/elevate it, by calling it a "business plan."

We're talking low-life schemes here.

John

Too many great drums to list here!

http://www.walbergandauge.com/VintageVenue.htm
Posted on 12 years ago
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From Purdie Shuffle

> You misunderstand ... BIG TIME.No, I don't think so. You use terms like 'business plan' and then it turns out that 'the plan' is composed of utilizing intentional deception, shill bidding, artificial inflation of prices and just plain dishonesty. That is not a "business plan" in my book. Everything you described is a road map for setting up and operating a large scale scam operation. Based completely on deception and slight of hand. I'm not objecting to your post at all, it accurately describes how Pooder's "business" is set up and maintained. My objection is to having such an operation called a business at all. It is what it is, a scam. Just sayin' - nothing personal was intended or implied. Just my opinion about your choice of words/terms. You dignify it/elevate it, by calling it a "business plan." John

John,

I am trying to communicate this model without using incindiary terms like 'scam' and 'crook'. I thought I had made that clear enough. Evidently I was mistaken.

Let me spell it out for you.

I do not wish to use words that could lower this subject into the realm of insult and argumentative tripe. Instead, I would like to keep this entire topic mature and intelligent and informative. Again, I say 'informative'. NOT a blast the crook thread.

If a member hasn't figured out the lower details of Pooder as a scammer, I'm not sure there would be hope for the individual.

So, with your permission, could we keep this thread adult, mature, unconfrontational, and above all informative? Please.

PM me any future issues with my word choice.

What Would You Do
Posted on 12 years ago
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As usual buyer beware,good that we have forums like this to help people that want to buy at a fair price.

This is America and you can sell whatever you want at whatever price you and as long as the product is not misrepresented it is legal,even for someone with a business license.

Sleazy and shady tactics are used by organized crime,yuppies and corporate america alike.The oil and diamond industries come to mind,and for me the satalite TV industry.

A few years ago I had sat tv installed on a promotional special,you got the equipment free,paid a pre approved installer 150.00 bucks,then got a rebate for 150.00 from the sat tv company,and this is a company you all have heard of,#1 or 2# sat TV provider in the country at the time,I did all the required steps,no check,I started calling,and they put me off for weeks with all kinds of B.S.,and with some of them I could hear in their tone of voice that they were laughing at me, I finally got a supervisor on the phone and said,You are in N.C. and I am in GA and as far as I can tell you are committing Fraud across state lines,and since this is involving the mail probably mail fraud too, both of which is a federal crime.The guy got quiet and said they would send it,and they did.That must have been one of the things you had to say or allude to to get your money.

A few months later the scam hit the news and it also turned out that the TV co was under the umbrella of large American auto maker.

I guess my point is that there are sleazebags everywhere.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Shill bidding is not only immoral, it is a criminal activity. This used to be posted by ebay. It used to be severely punished. Now it is almost impossible to tell.

I think part of the bigger picture at work here is this.....

Ebay is the problem.

Ten years ago, ebay was a great selling platform. It was a great place to buy.

Now... ebay is actively part of the criminal element it purports to protect its users from. Every change in how feedback works, how user identities are hidden in active auctions, how user identities are hidden in bid searches and individual auction reports, permitting multiple IDs by individuals, groups of individuals, and "corporations," are condusive to promoting this kind of behavior.

So I guess the question would be, .. Can we change Ebay?

I dont know. But, I do believe, if Ebay were changed to be more like it was ten years ago, the Pooders, bottom feeding crooks, and shill Identities would vanish.

How do we accomplish that?

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 12 years ago
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We just have to stop using Ebay.Nothing gets a companys attention like losing thousands of customers.It WAS a decent place to do business,but it's not policed properly,and only policies that favor ebay are enforced at all.I haven't used it to make any purchases in two years,but I do use it to keep up with market values on drums/cymbals.

Just say NO.

Steve B

Posted on 12 years ago
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