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Old 09-28-2018, 01:03 AM
vyacheslav vyacheslav is offline
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Default Re: Anyone here interested in hearing what a 22" pre-trans sound like?

Thank you so much for providing the sound file!

For me this rates as a very strong "Meh". It sounds cool and I know it's very rare, but just because it's rare doesn't mean it sounds great. I've heard many, many ride cymbals that I like way better than this one.

Just my 2.7 cents (inflation adjusted).

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Old 09-28-2018, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: Anyone here interested in hearing what a 22" pre-trans sound like?

Ol try to take a sound file and share it it’s hard to upload a videos
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Old 09-28-2018, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: Anyone here interested in hearing what a 22" pre-trans sound like?

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Ol try to take a sound file and share it it’s hard to upload a videos
We need a trademark photo more than a sound file. Without proof of that cymbal's vintage, a soundfile means nothing.

#1 priority

When you get a photo, send it to me and I'll upload it.
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Old 09-28-2018, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: Anyone here interested in hearing what a 22" pre-trans sound like?

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I have one bought off mountain hick while back , it’s my go to ride
Sounds like you are claiming a 22" pre trans stamp ride cymbal.

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We need a trademark photo more than a sound file. Without proof of that cymbal's vintage, a soundfile means nothing.

#1 priority
And jaghog, please remember the diameter is in question as well. #2 priority. It is the 22" diameter of the cymbal which is unusual for a pre trans. Telling us the diameter doesn't even require photo attaching, nor do you need a video. You just tell us 22 or 20 or whatever the diameter is.

Here is the current distribution of diameters for pre trans stamp era cymbals based on 101 I've recorded (this is counting pairs as 2 cymbals)

diam count
08 x
10 xx
11 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
12 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
13 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
14 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
15 xxxxxxxxxxxx
16 xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
17 x
18 xxxxxx
19
20 xx
21
22 x

which is why larger ones are of interest. If you compare the pre trans diameter distribution to later production eras there is a clear deficit of larger diameters (over 18").



So if you have a 22" pre trans that's very big news. If you have a 20" pre trans that's big news. Anything 18" or smaller stops being headline grabbing, but is still of interest.

So let's see that trademark stamp please. And the diameter.
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Old 09-29-2018, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: Anyone here interested in hearing what a 22" pre-trans sound like?

Sounds ok. Would like to hear it in person.
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Old 09-29-2018, 09:28 AM
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Man what a hulabbaloo over this I really did not think it that important let me try and dig it out
Gary
may be as usual I don’t know what I’m talking about we will see
Sorry it’s a early fifty’s my bad I use to have one years ago with a 50’s Gretsch kit it was stolen , it fit in the pocket of base drum perfect , many moons ago that weirdness on stamp is what I vague remember sorry again for the confusion��
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Old 09-29-2018, 06:22 PM
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Man what a hulabbaloo over this I really did not think it that important let me try and dig it out
Gary
may be as usual I don’t know what I’m talking about we will see
Sorry it’s a early fifty’s my bad I use to have one years ago with a 50’s Gretsch kit it was stolen , it fit in the pocket of base drum perfect , many moons ago that weirdness on stamp is what I vague remember sorry again for the confusion��
The hulabbalo over this is quite understandable seeing as how an Avedis of this vintage and of this size is just about rare as the Cullinan diamond.

I originally figured that the chances were extremely slim of this being claim being true, which is now confirmed. And I say this not as anything against you personally. Therefore no apologies are necessary. I merely based my opinion on the general assumption that a surprising number of the members here would likely not be able to identify this trademark if was presented to them anyway. But thanks for checking for us. Inquiring minds are now satisfied.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:41 PM
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Default Re: Anyone here interested in hearing what a 22" pre-trans sound like?

Are there are any ad or catalog mentions of a 22" pre trans?
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Old 10-01-2018, 02:53 PM
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Are there are any ad or catalog mentions of a 22" pre trans?

Yes, and there's 23" and 26" too.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S0S...ew?usp=sharing
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Old 10-01-2018, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Anyone here interested in hearing what a 22" pre-trans sound like?

Thank you for that scan. Somewhere, in an attic or a basement, one of those is waiting to be dusted off.
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