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Old 05-22-2013, 11:45 PM
johnnyringo johnnyringo is offline
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Originally Posted by vibes View Post
I just think that when I realized it was the set that went with my my crash and ride. All bought at the same time. Also my jazz ensemble cymbals. i had that hi hat set on my recording set and i didnt realize they went with my jazz ensemble. i told you that. And I asked for a return before you even got the cymbals. Also the money was in my Paypal account. And I told you I would refund you the money immediately. The only thing you kept telling me was they were for your grandson and they were his now period. I offered you a refund, replacements, I just didn't think it was that big a deal you can get A Zildjians hats all over the place. I don't get it. I made a mistake and you won't let me off the hook. You did offer to help me find era correct hats but why can't you return mine that match my set of cymbals and find some more. I don't want any problems with anyone. I just don't know what the big deal is with a swap or refund. I mean really. If the shoe were on the other foot I am sure it would be a different story. I mean does a little girl need a mink coat. I don't think so. I have some nice replacement hats, I just don't want to break up my 50's cymbal set. They belonged to a Connecticut jazz drummer and I got them from his estate. I have and had no intentions of ever losing those. Selling or trading or anything else. I am just surprised at your attitude about it. I don't think I am being unreasonable. They are orphan.s to you. I had a matching set . I mean really John, I am not a bad person. I just had a brain **** and you won't let me off the hook. I would never do that to another drummer. It's not the end of the world but it is so easily remedied. I think you just see how nice they are and don't want any others. There for a kid. Good god man. I am a,professional drummer who used those all the time. Look what you wrote me :
Those cymbals were purchased for my grandson... and that's where they are going. Period. It was -your- error, not mine. What are you hoping to do? Guilt me into giving them back?

I've made mistakes in the past selling things for less than they are worth, you man-up, take the lesson and move on. You're starting to make me feel like I'll never hear the end of this.

This is not abut the money at all but about something that I do not want to part with. You man up. It seems like this grandson thing has got you all , I don't know what. I think it's great what your doing. But not at my loss. I told you immediately abut the situation and would like to refund your money. Offered you a few dollars more plus shipping. Before you ever received them. There was no check. The money was in paypal. I never cashed anything. And I have only written John 3 times. Maybe I should screen save the Paypal payment and post it.
Since you started this thread for all to see and give opinions, here is mine....
You're wrong! I've sold many drums and cymbals and not once did I ever ship the WRONG item and if I did make such an idiotic mistake, I would NEVER ask for it to be returned, especially after recieving the funds. You need to grow up, put your big boy pants on and take it on the chin, unbelievable.

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Old 05-23-2013, 12:06 AM
RickVieh RickVieh is offline
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The bottom line is this: when an offer is made and accepted, it creates a contract, and there was a contract here whether you like it or not. The seller then completed his acceptance of the contract by cashing the check - he received consideration. There must be an offer and an acceptance for a contract and there was. Whether you like it or not, whether you think the buyer is a a nice guy or not, there is not any reason for John to return said merchandise once an offer is accepted, paid for, and goods in receipt. Period. Yes, it's unfortunate that the seller sold something he didn't want to. BUT HE DID. The act of cashing the check ended the transaction because at that point the buyer owned the merchandise and was simply awaiting shipment of his new property. It would have been simpler for the seller to have said, prior to shipping, "I will return your money in lieu of shipping your cymbals"; that would have been one remedy, and John would have been the aggrieved party - but he'd have his money back, we assume. But the seller didn't do that - he shipped the cymbals and then apparently asked for a reset of the transaction because he decided it wasn't in his best interests - and that is immaterial. Whether anyone likes it or not, John has no obligation to do anything at this point, period.

I'm with John on this: I do a lot of transactions, in fact, I'm in a transactional business, and you never agree to anything that you aren't willing to carry through on no matter what it may cost you or what you find out after the handshake. Sometimes people just need to be reminded of the fact that, in the real world, this is how things work, regardless of how you may feel after you have an agreement.
Old 05-23-2013, 12:10 AM
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This has turned into a very ugly and slanderous conversation all over some cymbals. Guys there is no need for this to continue. It is a transaction and it is final. It really does not matter who "feels" like it is the right thing to return these, there is no reason for John to do so. Had I made that mistake I would have kept it to myself. Take responsibility for your actions and let's move on to something that is not so demoralizing. Perhaps we can start arguing about what that "ring" was around the perimeter of Bonzo's reso head. That is a lot more fun.

In my opinion this is the kind of conversation that should never have been aired in public.
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Old 05-23-2013, 02:11 AM
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Just hoping that a certain grandson does not get to read any of this..

Old 05-23-2013, 04:43 AM
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Just hoping that a certain grandson does not get to read any of this..

He's a very smart young man. I have confidence he'd sus out 'what's what' in short order. My family and friends know me and what I've done over the years.

Contrary to what was intended... no harm done. I've dealt with this kind of thing before. After witnessing and observing Tim's behavior over the last couple of weeks, I'm not at all surprised he'd stoop to character assassination only because he cannot get his way. The other genius that fed Tim the personal information is just a coward who lacks the cohones to try to post it himself. He knows how low it is to try to -intentionally- slander someone's character, or reputation out of pure malice. So the coward put Tim up to it! And Tim used it! He posted my name (it's a big no-no, nobody ever violates anybody's privacy that way in the forums, it could be dangerous, identity theft etc.) and he posted personal information that he hopes will hurt me somehow. All because baby can't get his way! No scruples, no ethics, no holds barred. A monkey flinging crap. I hope Tim goes back and chews out the guy who used him to do something he's threatened to do himself, but never had the balls.

Malicious infants, cowards. Emotional cripples in my book! People that never grew up.

Sticks and stones, baby. Sticks and stones...

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Old 05-23-2013, 05:12 AM
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... well, it's been a while since we had one of "these" threads... but as I have said so many times, when one is involved in a free/public forum, well... sometimes it can get out of control. All I can really do is try to relieve the pressure here and hopefully desensitize the situation. The thread will remain for a bit, but it will be CLOSED. The hope is that the situation will be handled PRIVATELY from here out, as nothing is going to be served by airing it here PUBLICLY excepting page after page after page of vitriol. We have a fine membership here at the VDF! On occasion, there's a speed bump. THANKS as always for your understanding!

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