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Old 02-13-2020, 01:35 AM
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I'm not much good at math.
That could be a problem ( you don't mean that literally do you?..)

Because that's all drumming is..
(slicing and dicing Time......)


accurate mathematical slicing and dicing of time.
Structure
You can fit everything in (or conversely 1 note
If you know where it lays, where It Falls...
within the Time

The Time is mathematics first
then shaded and colored but still
"in the structure" (that you must know- work within- feel as second-nature... but within, sliced , diced and metering, like a Timex watch

Precision. *** Within the precision- is Freedom- if you firmly feel the Precision of the clock..
the rest is mathematics..and 'vocalizing' over time..

A Great Drummers Mind is Ticking (within) like a Clock.
It's an Internal Clock.
You are playing / against/ parallel/ reverse/ ahead/ silent/ with/

But whatever the internal Clock remains
Constantly playing/ off/from the Internal Clock

Stretching and Pushing never losing the Internal Clock..

***You have to know where you Are, before you can know, where you can Go..

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Old 02-13-2020, 02:13 AM
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Here's to getting something From the Thread Johnny!
What exactly did you get jda?
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Old 02-13-2020, 02:46 AM
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What exactly did you get jda?
What? I didn't get.. I gave.. something pertaining to your topic..
When you get stuck in ruts you have to move on. Jazz is the good choice. Don't listen to those that say stay in one place. You'll end up playing the same songs (sometimes in "the same way"..) when you were 17 at 65.

Drumming is endless when you know where and how to look..

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Old 02-13-2020, 05:26 AM
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I love jazz and I set up the kit completely different to get out of my comfort zone.
Here's a video of Cindy Blackman.
https://youtu.be/RyXYFtsqym4
Cindy,s not playing by the rules, there are none for freestyle. That's why tec. drummers often can't do it. Cindy's not keeping time at all. The bass player is outside having a cigarette, the guitar is tuning his axe and the lead is messing with the chicks. No time to keep. Cindy is putting stored riffs together in her head real fast and then putting them on the drums.

You can put riffs together in your head anywhere or time of your day. When you play by rules, you need to be in front of a kit because they are set and you must do it until you do it correctly. That part does not exist in freestyle. It's unlimited and you make the rules, sometimes as you go along.

I carry chop sticks around most of the time and in a pause, I'll start playing my riff on what ever is around me to see how it will sound before playing it on my drums. There is no beat to it. A beat is a rule and we are not playing by the rules, remember ?

As an example,.... Her cymbals see little action, they are periods and comma's and we aint typing we're drumming. At 458 or so you see her loose it for a sec then quickly do something she falls back on because she's used to it. It happens. Eventually she runs low on stored riffs she's put together and starts a grove and a beat simply to put together more riffs. I seen Peart do it playing big band, he simply looks at his BD at one point and keeps a grove for a few, then goes on to what he is inventing as he goes along. The more you have in your head, the less you need to go back to the rules. This is why I carry chop sticks around a lot, you can do it all day anywhere, but people around you may throw things or shoot at you because it wont sound good first couple times you do it, and when you are on try 60, they might nuke ya.

The best advise I took was given by Rich just before he battled Animal on the drums.

...... Band ? Who needs a band ?,.....Drums ? ,....Who needs drums and then did what I just explained in my post,...took out some sticks and literally played the stage on his way to the kit. ..........BR.

Don't listen to DrumBob's advice, it's ****ty. Just remember, no rules, so when you're playing the steering wheel or kitchen stove or empty box and water bottle,....if you can do it there, you will be able to put it on a kit later.
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Old 02-13-2020, 05:29 AM
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What? I didn't get.. I gave.. something pertaining to your topic..
When you get stuck in ruts you have to move on. Jazz is the good choice. Don't listen to those that say stay in one place. You'll end up playing the same songs (sometimes in "the same way"..) when you were 17 at 65.

Drumming is endless when you know where and how to look..
I understand, but it's not really about who I'm playing with or what sort of music, it's about me not always being able to play what's in my head when I practice, I try to push myself further, to be more creative. When I'm with the band, I usually just play for the song, which is fine, I like doing that. But, when I'm on my own, I want to be able to pull off the fancy licks, just for my own satisfaction. Like I said, I don't get to practice nearly enough to achieve my goal.
I have a practice pad at home, but it's just not the same as wailing on the kit.
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:09 AM
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The guy I linked to below, Carter McLean, is the type of drummer I'm trying to emulate. He's always so chill, and doesn't seem like he plays anything to technical or tough, but he's very creative and his dynamics and his touch on the skins are some of the best around. He doesn't dazzle or get in your face like a Cindy Blackman that you linked, but his playing is so much more tasty IMHO.

Maybe your trying to do Cindy Blackman when you should be doing some Carter McLean?

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Old 02-13-2020, 10:15 AM
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Dear Johnny,
May I suggest you get Tommy Igoe's Groove Essentials book I.
Begin to work on the 'World Beats' section (which includes mostly latin styles)
it will open and change your world. These various beats are difficult to master
and will take time (if not years) to incorporate into your playing. Another suggestion
would be to work on the rock beats section (which you already have mastered) but
concentrating on the sight reading of a chart provided for each beat. You will be amazed with yourself.

Nick
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Old 02-13-2020, 10:28 AM
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Ya, he's good, but I'm trying to build more stamina and being able to improvise, that's probably the most difficult part of drumming.

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Old 02-13-2020, 11:21 AM
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I understand, but it's not really about who I'm playing with or what sort of music, it's about me not always being able to play what's in my head when I practice, I try to push myself further, to be more creative. When I'm with the band, I usually just play for the song, which is fine, I like doing that. But, when I'm on my own, I want to be able to pull off the fancy licks, just for my own satisfaction. Like I said, I don't get to practice nearly enough to achieve my goal.
I have a practice pad at home, but it's just not the same as wailing on the kit.
It's math. Read my post. You don't have to practice-it- as much- as- FIRST understand- it. Listen to better music. Mentally analyse it. don't have to be at the practice pad. You'll get it.

And then when you have the time to get to the set or it will seep into your band playing ,
But the fancy licks all have a metrical base. Just have to be serious about listening.

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Old 02-13-2020, 11:45 AM
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Dear Johnny,
May I suggest you get Tommy Igoe's Groove Essentials book I.
Begin to work on the 'World Beats' section (which includes mostly latin styles)
it will open and change your world. These various beats are difficult to master
and will take time (if not years) to incorporate into your playing. Another suggestion
would be to work on the rock beats section (which you already have mastered) but
concentrating on the sight reading of a chart provided for each beat. You will be amazed with yourself.

Nick
Speaking of a drummer I'd like to play like - Tommy Igoe! Wow, that boy can drive a big band.

I'm not sure if johnnyringo will take your advice, but I will. I've heard about this book. Thanks.
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