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Old 01-31-2020, 07:04 PM
jaghog jaghog is offline
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What happen to all of them I’ll bet there overseas
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once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
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Old 02-01-2020, 05:21 PM
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Do you mean the Downbeat snare drum or the drum outfit?

I just think that configuration didn't sell as well as the bigger drums. Bigger drums like the Super Classic outfit were the norm up until around 1960. Ludwig didn't even catalog a 14x14 until the late 50s. By the mid/late 60s the five piece outfits with double mounted toms were coming on strong and by the 1970s were pretty much the minimal set a drummer would want. Obviously the Downbeat configuration did sell but probably not to the degree that other outfits did, making them harder to find, relatively speaking.
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Old 02-01-2020, 05:59 PM
schmegeggie schmegeggie is offline
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They’re out there, just at the $2000+ price point! I got lucky finding the Burgundy Sparkle set I stumbled upon. They sound fantastic! Perhaps that is why they aren’t coming up as often?
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A huge pile of 'em! Several rare and one offs!
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Old 02-02-2020, 07:18 AM
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Man you think there out here I just don’t see them any more and I look daily the kits un blemished are not around there out of the country every drum show another container gets loaded up and is sent out of our country I was adding the shows all over the USA and the drums that are bought and sold are mainly the USA consern as sellers and the foreign concern as buyers
Sure we have some stashed here but not me let’s take a consensus on how many dB kits are here on this forum
I have 0
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1968 pink champagne holly wood and downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies






once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
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Old 02-02-2020, 07:54 AM
schmegeggie schmegeggie is offline
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So are you blaming the dealers who export kits by the hundreds? I know those guys! I run into them at the shows and they tell me I’m asking too much for my stuff. Come Monday, they’re packing up 5 kits to send overseas that they made top dollar on!
I’ve never been a fan of this type of business model. Perhaps you’re right! Maybe they’re all gone and only a few remain in the US. It was bound to happen!
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1964 Ludwig Jazzette Oyster Black Pearl
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue Pearl
1966 Ludwig Downbeat Burgundy Sparkle
1966 Rogers BR Headliner, Factory Original
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
Early 60's Camco Champagne Sparkle
Snare Drums
A huge pile of 'em! Several rare and one offs!
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Old 02-02-2020, 08:30 AM
JimmySticks JimmySticks is offline
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The same thing happened in the classic car market, the classic guitar market and other vintage markets of old American made goods. They're in big demand in Japan and other markets and they pay big dollars.

So it wouldn't be far fetched to think it couldn't happen in the classic drum market as well.
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Old 02-02-2020, 08:52 AM
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Many of those collectors' items (guitars, cars, etc.) come full circle. They find their ways back to the US. This is likely to happen with drums, too.
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Old 02-02-2020, 10:41 PM
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Jaghog...here's one I own. It's a '71. I also have a matching 9x13 and 16x16 so I can expand it whenever appropriate. But the 20/12/14 is the size and sound that suits me perfectly.
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Old 02-02-2020, 11:53 PM
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I still have my 1964 Champagne Sparkle. No DB snare though. First vintage kit I ever scored and restored!

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/atta...5&d=1307298241
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1964 Ludwig Downbeat Kit Champagne Sparkle
1964 Ludwig Jazz Combo Kit Gold Sparkle
1964 Gretsch Jazz Progressive Jazz Progressive Kit
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1971 Slingerland 13,16,22 in Black Sparkle
1979 Rogers XP-8 Super Londoner Tobacco Sunburst
1982 Rogers XP-8 Black Londoner
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Old 02-03-2020, 01:51 AM
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Somebody say Downbeats?
I'm not that big a fan of the DB snare but for the OPP kit it was a must. That's a born together Transition Badge DB Outfit as well.
The Burgundy has the matching 65 Pioneer and the SBP has the matching 65 SC snare.
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